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TooBad TooSadI survived the oral sex Watchtower Study


I have been dreading this study for several weeks.  I knew what the consequences would be because

my wife would once again get all holy again and give me the "I can't do that because I feel so guilty."

(Witnesses feel guilty about everything from not going in service, to missing a meeting, to not studying

the Watchtower before the meeting.)  I was hoping against all odds that no one would bring out the

reference to the 1983 Watchtower that delt with oral sex with married couples because  todays article

delt with unmarried people doing the "dirty deed".  I was going to tell my wife that the Watchtower is

saying that oral sex is wrong if you are not married and then all would be well.  However some brother

had to raise his hand and say that the Society also says that oral sex is a sin for married people and

that if found out you will be disfellowshipped and referred to the 1983 Watchtower article.  My wife gave

me a nudge and I knew that was the end of sex that I enjoy.  There were comments on how much cleaner

the Witnesses are compared to the world thanks to the "faithful and discreet slave."  The Bible does not

even have the words 'oral sex" in it but the Watchtower says that it is forbidden and of course the

Witnesses know that God writes the Watchtower.  I really am TooBad and TooSad. 

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oneairheadRe: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study

I'm not really an oral sex kinda guy but if the borg said told my wife that because I was inactive she couldn't have sex with me I'd be pissed.  I know they would never do that but I know some guys who have said that is all they will do for them. So in effect they are taking away their sex life. I know in Bethel they had a book for bethelites that were bringing brides in to bethel about sex and I can imagine what that had to say.

One

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R.CrusoeRe: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study
The WTBTS say they are clean because they decide what is dirty! And broken families are not dirty to them so that is ok in Gods eyes. And feeling guilty prior to meetings and field service in case you do not do all the alloted slavery is not a spirit of joy and love - it is the filthy spirit of guilt that they even introduce to your bedroom. Guilt is the excrement they pour over your free will, love, joy, freedom, respect, social development and self esteem. And they are full of it!
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candidlynutsRe: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study

i thought the 83 article was the one that stated what goes on in the marital bed is no ones business?

 

 

(i have tried 3 times to reply to this thread! is the board wonky today?)

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skykingRe: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study

Twisted Borg.

I have a ranch. On this ranch I am able to watch GOD's animals. The bull gives the cow oral sex sometimes for hours before he copulates. .  Kill enough for the Bull clean enough for me

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dustRe: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study
i thought the 83 article was the one that stated what goes on in the marital bed is no ones business?
It says both:
As already stated, it is not for elders to "police" the private marital matters of couples in the congregation. However, if it becomes known that a member of the congregation is practicing or openly advocating perverted sex relations within the marriage bond, that one certainly would not be irreprehensible, and so would not be acceptable for special privileges, such as serving as an elder, a ministerial servant or a pioneer. Such practice and advocacy could even lead to expulsion from the congregation.
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carlaRe: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study

What the hell kind of pervert discusses this issue with young children in the room?

This just reinforces my view that jw's, elders in particular are perverts. If the public knew this is what goes on in the kh there would be outrage. Exposing young children to explicit sexual practices is illegal in some places, just because they don't bring pictures makes it no less disgusting. They have absolutely no shame.

Perverts, Perverts, Perverts!

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dustRe: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study
What the hell kind of pervert discusses this issue with young children in the room?
You must remember: oral sex is an essential part of their religious doctrine.
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uwishufishRe: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study

Carla is right..

The fact that oral sex was openly discussed by an adult in the presence of a minor needs to be brought to the attention of the athorities.

Religion can not be the vehicle that allows PERVERTS to openly discuss such matters with minors present. 

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DaCheechRe: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study
my children were there as well as 40 people over the age of 70!
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BBOARDRe: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study
I have a bad feeling that this will break up some fragile JW sex lives which will in turn bring more platonic JW marrigies than they already have. 
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Awakened07Re: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study

Where exactly do they draw the line (within the marriage)?

Specific positions? Petting? Sexy lingerie? What exactly is it about oral sex that makes it perverted? Can JWs have sex in the shower? Should they ask the elders first? Perhaps it depends on the size of the shower cabinet? Small cabinets may invite "unorthodox" positions? What about in a tub?

I think the safest thing would be to ask the BOE home with you so they could personally check out everything you do within your marriage. Just to make sure. After all - your everlasting life is at stake here.

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momzcrazyRe: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study

Once again, I ask "Where does it say in the Bible that you can govern that aspect of my life?" Just like it's a no for tubal ligation or vasectomy. Or what length of skirt or type of suit, color of tie or shoes? How much makeup, what style of hair. Everything is governed, no one can think for themselves. It's a bit like China or the communist Korea.

To realize the full absurdity of it all one must read Crisis of Conscience. You read of the GB saying sex with an animal or anal sex are not grounds for divorce, because you are not becoming one flesh ie. capable of reproduction. People actually write in to the Society with these questions and then must live with the rulings.

momz

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TatianaRe: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study
I'd like to hear if any more congs had similar comments. I have a sister telling me that it's not the same in all halls. That each set of elders in different congs makes different rules depending on who it will stumble. And is this in the Watchtower for the public?
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TooBad TooSadRe: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study

I would call sex with animals as being perverted not making love to your mate.  Is it OK to kiss

her cheek, neck, breasts, thigh, toes, feet,  stomach, 5 " down from her stomach, but STOP 6" or

7" down futher is a sin.  Give me a break.  It was so embarasing sitting there listening to couples

who think "let's get wild tonight" means the wife is on top, talking about how bad oral sex is while

young children listen.

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cyd0099Re: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study
Oh my freakin ' god...

This just seems so insane to me now. Why would doing something which brings so much pleasure to my partner, be a cause for stumbling?

My (then) wife and I temporarily stopped doing it for a while after an assembly part made oral sex seem really disgusting and displeasing to god. Then we wised up. :)
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momzcrazyRe: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study

Exactly. I would not let anyone near me who had sex with an animal. But the sister in question could not divorce him without the typical reprocussions of a non-scriptural divorce. And if continuing married, she must give him his "due" or risk trouble again. GRRRRR!!!

momz

 

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candidlynutsRe: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study

gawd ..tell me how a wife is supposed to help her jw man an erection after 30 yrs as a watchtower gopher, all the stress of NOT DOING ENOUGH, of being the head of the household and your household NOT DOING ENOUGH and maybe congregational responsibilities and add on the stress of a low paying job because you dont have a college education because the END IS NEAR and you dont need it but then you find yourself a middleaged man stuck in a whirlwind of bullshit.

he deserves a lil oral..so does she!

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uwishufishRe: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study

Do PERVERTS at the JW place of worship openly discuss printed sexual topics with minors?

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uwishufishRe: I survived the oral sex Watchtower Study

Do PERVERTS at the JW place of worship openly discuss printed sexual topics with minors?

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