WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work (page 1)

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Honesty	WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	I have just talked with the WTBTS Service Department at 718-560-5000. You can contribute for Hurricane Katrina relief efforts through your local Kingdom Hall and put your donation in the contribution box marked for the World Wide Work. You may also send donations directly to the Branch Office... to the Brooklyn address. Donations should be marked for the World Wide Work and not specificically reserved for relief efforts. This allows the brothers to use the money in the best way they see fit. Again, mark donations for the World Wide Work and not specific to the relief efforts. The situation is still being somnewhat assesed and uhmmm.... being coordinated. But brothers that have been evacuated are being cared for in the areas where they were evacuated to or where they are staying with other friends or relatives. In the disaster areas the brothers are trying to assess damage to Kingdom Halls and to homes and to things like that so that's still kind of ongoing. So, we'll probably have some more complete information soon but it's still a little sketchy right now. Anyone having professional technical expertise in data transfer methods may PM me so that we may be able to 'Get the Spoken Word' out for all to hear.
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Doubtfully Yours	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	I won't be making any donations, although my husband more than will make up for me not giving. He's very generous $$$ wise, plus he donates a lot of his time and skills on a regular basis. I don't agree with their stance of only helping their own, and not even all of their own at that. The ones well connected, or the ones that are considered 'pillars' in the congregation are the ones that benefit the most. All help given has to be approved by the 'service committee', so those that aren't in good standing will probably get what's left after everybody else in 'good standing' has been helped. My fact is part of those relief committees and he tells me that 'inactive' ones, the trouble makers labeled 'spiritually weak' ones, are left for last. Nope, I don't be donating a penny to the WBTS. DY
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Honesty	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	My fact is part of those relief committees and he tells me that 'inactive' ones, the trouble makers labeled 'spiritually weak' ones, are left for last. I bet Jesus wouldn't put them at the back of the line. No, they would be the first ones He helped. I am so glad God took me out of the hell that is the WT/JW cult.
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carla	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	Anyone else call? If you call do they ask you where you are from or what hall you are associated with? carla
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Honesty	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	Anyone else call? If you call do they ask you where you are from or what hall you are associated with? carla they didn't ask. I just asked them how to go about making a donation for hurricane relief efforts and the man in the Service Department made sure that I was made aware of how to mark the donation on the check. I wonder if they would cash a check that had 'Hurricane Katrina Relief Aid' in the memo fiield on the check?
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carla	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	I just called- Got the service guy-asked him if he was accepting donations for the hurricane- he told me directions for that was in the July Kingdom Ministry page 3 (did he say 2000?! couldn't quite understand him there.) carla
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carla	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	Does anybody know what the KM page 3 actually says? thanks, carla
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Valis	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	Victims will never see a penny of the "World Wide Fund"...sheesh
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lonelysheep	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	that's sick.
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Ingenuous	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	If it's marked for the WWW, they can use any of the "leftovers" any way they like. Specifically earmarking and properly accounting for funds would require taking people away from the WWW and creating a proper committee to handle disaster relief issues for as long as there are funds/donations specifically intended for those events. With this current set-up, once they determine that the crisis has "passed", they're free to divert the cash to other things. I wonder if noting on the checks what the money is supposed to be for would obligate them legally to be accountable to donors.
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Midget-Sasquatch	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	I'll type out word for word the question box from the Canadian January 2005 KM (pg.3): QUESTION BOX What is the best way to make contributions for the benefit of needy brothers in other lands? At times, we hear about brothers in another land who have come into material need because of persecution, disaster, or other difficult circumstances. Some brothers have been moved to send funds directly to the branch offices in such lands, requesting that the money be used to help a certain individual, a particular congregation, or a designated building project.-2 Cor. 8:1-4. While such loving concern for fellow believers is commendable, often there are needs that are more urgent than those that the contributor has in mind. In some cases, the designated need has already been cared for. Of course, we can be confident that when contributions are sent to the local branch office for the worldwidework, the Kingdom Hall Fund, or disaster relief, those donated funds will be used as directed by the contributor. The brothers in all the branches have been thoroughly trained to respond quickly to unanticipated needs. In all cases, the branch keeps the Governing Body informed regarding the matter. If additional assistance is needed, the Governing Body may invite nearby branches to help or funds may be sent directly from headquarters.-2 Cor. 8:14, 15. Therefore, all contributions intended for the worldwide work, building projects in other lands, or disaster relief should be sent to the branch office in the land in which you live, either through the congregation or directly. In this way, "the faithful and discreet slave," through the organizational arrangements set in place by the Governing Body, cares for the needs of the worldwide brotherhood in an orderly manner. -Matt. 24:45-47; 1 Cor. 14:33,40. Now I recall them announcing at the service meeting at a later time, to not even put "disaster relief" on the memo line of the cheque: just "world wide work". If only I had access to that letter.
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Neo	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	bttt
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Mulan	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	We are not donating to any relief work. I am suspicious as to where that money goes. Recently there was a report on TV about the billions raised for the tsunami victims and they aren't getting it. Someone (or many) are getting rich for sure.
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Finally-Free	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	Donations should be marked for the World Wide Work and not specificically reserved for relief efforts. This allows the brothers to use the money in the best way they see fit. Again, mark donations for the World Wide Work and not specific to the relief efforts. Why don't the bastards just come out and say money for the "Worldwide Work" is just for their pedophice defense fund? W
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candidlynuts	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	this burns me up! you KNOW they will go down and help rebuild WITNESSES homes.....ON DONATED MONEY... then will take the brothers insurance checks when they get them.they did it in florida this is so wrong and i started a thread pleading for one of the people here who do press releases etc to get on it. wish i had a relative that worked for AP!
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gespro	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	Slowly... getting... sick!!!
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Quotes	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	Looks like they haven't changed their tune. There was a similar response last year re: Tsunami Victims Relief. I have a audio recording and transcript of the phone call to Bethel: http://quotes.watchtower.ca/tsunami_relief.htm. This page also has a scan of and the text from * Our Kingdom Ministry, January 2005 For Canada km-E 1/05 Vol. 48, No. 1, p.7 . In case you don't have time to check it out, let me summarize: Send us money. No, we don't have a seperate account set up, but send us money anyway. No, we don't really have a plan, but send us money anyway. No, we don't have any planes loaded and ready to go; in fact we don't have any planes at all [except for that executive jet in alaska] but send us money! No, as far as we know, no JWs were hurt/killed, but send us money. No, no kingdom halls were damaged, but send us money. We will use the money very carefully for... um... er... what were you asking about again? Oh yeah, Tsunami Relief, right. Send money. And make sure you spell our company name correctly, or else you're just wasting our time. We don't like wasting time when we collect money for... um.... er... whatever you said you wanted us to use it for. ~Quotes, of the "They Are NOT* a Charity" class
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Pole	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	:Why don't the bastards just come out and say money for the "Worldwide Work" is just for their pedophice defense fund? That's what I thought too. Every respectable charity sets up separate accounts for separate crises. The WT is no charity - but that should only make them even stricter about separating donations. Otherwise it comes across as using the disaster to make more money. Of course they will provide some token help, but since nobody really knows how much was received in donations for the Katrina hurricane victims, they may as well use some of this money to pay lawyers for defending convicted pedophiles like they have done in the past. Pole
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KAYTEE	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	No wonder they want people to make out cheques only to "World Wide Work", because as a Registered Charity they have to abide by the laws relating to "Restricted Funds", i.e. if some-one donates money for a specific purpose and states the purpose clearly, that money then has to be accounted for in an entirely separate set of accounts, these are know as Restricted Funds and none of this money can be used for any other purpose. There is also a time-period in which this money must be spent. If this donated money is not kept in a separate account it can easily be swallowed up into their "large pot". Also Accounts prepared in this way can be very time-consuming. Here is the link to the UK Charity Commissioners site http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/supportingcharities/ogs/g043b001.asp#a4 This of course is the Law in the UK, but I should imagine that other countries have the same or similar rules. Twink
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Sunspot	Re: WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work
	Contributing or donating to anything other than the WTS has as long as I can remember, has been the way it WAS. ALL $$$$$ that a JW may care to send, is most often designated for the "worldwide preaching work" and where it actually GOES or how it is actually SPENT is only a guess at best. The unknowing and unsuspecting JWs have no "say" where THEY might like to see their money go. The many costly lawsuits against the WTS in defending the child molestation cases (for instance) comes from these donations from the "brothers". It has been known to use these donations for "preaching work" in ways that the JWs cannot imagine. The harmless generic label of "worldwide preaching work" is, as per usual for the WTS----sounds good on the surface, but in reality, is used to cover the sins and actions of many unsavory practices and people. The WTS is always very careful to keep its public image supposedly squeaky clean, but it has as many (if not more) flaws and hidden factors as the rest of them do. They are no different in that respect. Yes, I am sure too, that they will come up with glowing stories for the JWs to feel good about and to tell others about far and wide, as the WTS has always been known to do. Nothing changes. Generally, the congregations of different churches DO have a headquarters or a head base where they can find instructions on where to send what they can to storm-ravaged and emergencies that periodically arise throught the world. How often do we see and hear of reports of even little ones selling cookies or lemonade for raising funds to donate to these causes? How many teens have car washes for the same purpose? How many places have "walks" to raise funds for different charities? AND......how many "organized" local groups of JWs do anything of this nature to show their support of their fellow man? I have NEVER heard of ONE example of this EVER! It makes the WTS look as if it doesn't GIVE a hoot about anything but the WTS and ITS interests. LOOK at the people coming forth on TV who are opening up their homes (for an unknown period of time) and doing other things of a truly generous nature! I have not herad of ONE of these where the religious persuasion of any needy individual has been asked, have you? The WTS has always played its cards close to the chest and appear very "anal" and stiff-necked. The fact that sporadic examples of JWs have been moved to donate their money to the Gulf States cause is admirable, but the WTS, in its usual stoic way, sits there in its ivory tower, seemingly untouched by any plights in the world they LIVE in!
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