Many dubs and even ex-dubs consider Charles Dazed Russell to have been a sincere, tolerant and kindly man.He wasn't.Note what Justice Orlady of the Superior Court in Russell v. Russell, dated October 19, 1908 stated in Chuck and Maria's divorce proceeding:"After a careful review of the 150 pages of testimony in this case, we are satisfied that the verdict was fully warranted,and was rightly sustained by refusing the defendant's motion..."(Chuck had previously attempted to dispute Maria's charges of cruel and domineering behavior towards her.)"His course of conduct towards his wife evidenced such insistent egotism and extravagant self-praise that it would be manifest to the jury that his conduct towards her was one of continual arrogant domination, that would necessarily reder the life of any sensitive Christian woman a burden and make her condition intolerable. The indignities offered to her in treating her as a menial in the presence of servants, intimating that she was of unsound mind, and that she was under the influence of designing and wicked persons fully warranted her withdrawal from his house, and justified her fear that he intended to further humiliate her by a threat to resort to legal proceedings to test her sanity. There is not a syllable in the testimony to justify his repeated aspersions on her character or her mental condition, nor does he intimate in any way that there was any cause for difference between them, other than that she did not agree with him in his views of life and methods of conducting their business. He says himself that she is a woman of high intellectual qualities and of perfect moral character. While he denied, in a general way, that he attempted to belittle his wife as she claimed, the general effect of his testimony is a strong confirmation of her allegations." - Pennsylvania Superior Court Reports, vol. 37 Russell v. Russell, 350, 352So much for the much vaunted "humility" the WTS said he displayed. He even used "Jehovah's" own Watch Tower magazine to plead his version of the story.Chuck never consummated his marriage with Maria. Maria stated he told her AFTER they were married that their marriage would not be consummated. Chuck denied this. He refused to pay his Court-awarded alimony of forty dollars a month, forcing her to rent rooms to survive. Romans 13:1, Chuckie boy: Romans 13:1. When the Court finally ordered him to pay her $9,000, he got his followers to pay the tab, even though he had a considerable fortune in his little Watch Tower Empire.Da Judge Rutherford separated from his own wife Mary decades before his death, and never had anything to do with their son, Malcolm. Neither Mary nor Malcom attended his funeral, either. That speaks volumes about what they thought of him. Some example of a Christian husband, huh?Nathan Horror Knorr never consummated his marriage with Audrey. She quickly married after he died from braindeadness. I wonder why.From among all the people in the world, these were Jehovah's hand-picked leaders to set the moral examples and define all the doctrines for His one, and only "true religion(tm)."Farkel
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| Farkel | 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
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| imallgrowedup | Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
Nathan Horror Knorr never consummated his marriage with Audrey He never consummated his marriage? You're kidding! She should have had that arrangement annulled after about the first week! *shaking head in disbelief*growedup | ||
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| Gopher | Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
1 Corinthians 7:3 Let the husband render to his wife her due, but let the wife do likewise also to her husband. But maybe Chuckie, Boozer and Nate were following this verse instead -- 1 Corinthians 7:29The time left is reduced. Hence let those who have wives be as though they had none. Since the end is always near for Watchtower leaders, there's not enough time and energy to do something so "trivial" as consummating a marriage.They treated their wives like dogs, and yet sought admiration from their blind followers. | ||
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| BluesBrother | Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
Nathan Horror Knorr never consummated his marriage with Audrey Either you are joking, or can you prove that ? | ||
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| Farkel | Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
blues,No, I'm not joking. A former district overseer told me that Audrey herself revealed that fact to him.Farkel | ||
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| blondie | MRe: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
Makes you wonder what the advantage was in getting married, for Knorr that is. He didn't need someone to clean the house, do the laundry or cook the meals. Blondie | ||
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| Sunspot | Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
***Makes you wonder what the advantage was in getting married, for Knorr that is. He didn't need someone to clean the house, do the laundry or cook the meals. ***Funny, I thought the same thing!Things that make you go hmmmmmmm!hugs,Annie | ||
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| Farkel | Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
: Makes you wonder what the advantage was in getting married, for Knorr that is.Knorr was obsessed with sex. He endlessly lectured Bethel members on the evils of masturbation, even telling the males how urinate without touching "it." Some in Bethel related they thought Knorr might have had homosexual tendencies and married to quell rumors about him.There wasn't one Watchtower President who had anywhere near a healthy view about sex. When it was discovered that a high ranking elder had molested a little girl, a Governing Body member blamed the girl! As I recall she was around 8 years old at the time. The GB member said that girl had no right to sit on his lap and move in such a way that he became stimulated and "forced" him to do what he did; that girl had NO RIGHT to ruin his reputation like that.Sick, sick sick.Farkel | ||
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| bebu | Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
There wasn't one Watchtower President who had anywhere near a healthy view about sex. When it was discovered that a high ranking elder had molested a little girl, a Governing Body member blamed the girl! As I recall she was around 8 years old at the time. The GB member said that girl had no right to sit on his lap and move in such a way that he became stimulated and "forced" him to do what he did; that girl had NO RIGHT to ruin his reputation like that. I am assuming that this is grapevine info, and not put into print anywhere. ![]() ![]() ![]() If you know where references to these comments could be found, if such comments were put in print anywhere, could you put them here?Hopefully, bebu(Who doesn't doubt the veracity of these comments, btw) | ||
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| ThiChi | Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
Farkel:
Thanks. What is up with the Pyramid at Russell's grave site? I have heard so many explanations, what say you? | ||
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| shotgun | Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
Farkel did Nathan really tell bethelites that even telling the males how urinate without touching "it." How did they get it out of their pants without touching it?Smacks of black magic to me...oops...maybe smacks is poor choice of words.I've heard the thing about shaking it more than three times being a sin! Shotgun... **from the drop your pants to pee class** | ||
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| Farkel | Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
bebu,: If you know where references to these comments could be found, if such comments were put in print anywhere, could you put them here?I don't know if they are in print. This former DO told me and several others the same story. He wasn't just any DO, either. He was also a well-respected trouble-shooter for the society and was involved in the writing of several books. He was even baptized at Beth Sarim. Every other thing he's told me that I've been able to verify has checked out, and he had absolutely no reason to lie to me on this one, either.This would not be the first time under-age girls have been blaimed by WTS elders for their rape. Since the mindset of people in responsibility is groomed from the top down, and since all on the governing body have been out of touch with the real world, no reasonable person would be surprised that one or more of them would think that way. Remember, THEY are the ones who ordered coverups for abuse in their midst. Perhaps in their twisted and demonic WT minds, they felt they had to blame the victim, just like they do for everyone of their failed prophecies and flip-flops.thichi,: Thanks. What is up with the Pyramid at Russell's grave site? I have heard so many explanations, what say you?There's not much to know. The pyramid which is some yards away from his burial site calls him "The Laodecean Messenger" and has a cross on it. Russell is not buried in or under the pyramid.Farkel | ||
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| minimus | Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
This just goes to PROVE that to be a Watchtower President, you must be married and NEVER, EVER consummate your marriage. .......... ![]() ![]() | ||
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| keeshah | Re: Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
OMG! I just had a thought!We used to hang on every word the GB said, like it was Jah himself talking. We didn't question anything. We were taking orders from people that don't live in the real world! They don't have a CLUE how to live by all those stupid rules out with the regular rake and file, and they wouldn't stand a chance either! They spend all their time at Bethal surrounded by other JWs. They don't interact with anyone outside the cult. They have taken every chance of temptation away from themselves (well, except for homosexuality). This is it. I've had another "de-programming" moment! Thank you, Farkel!Okay, maybe I'm a little slow, but I've just never thought of it like that before. | ||
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| gumby | Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
There wasn't one Watchtower President who had anywhere near a healthy view about sex. Just Freddie. He figured he could live to be a hundred if he abstained from that dirty habit! He almost did! He must have cheated somewhere along the line.Gumby | ||
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| FirstInLine | Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
Nathan Horror Knorr never consummated his marriage with Audrey.
If that is true, and a source on that would be nice, He was either gay, a child molester, a transvestite, adulterer, neutered or a chronic masturbator. I guess you can expect him to be absent from the New World, per Watchtower rules concerning the perfection requirement for those that know the law. | ||
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| talesin | Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
discussion of Russell's gravesite w/ pics showing headstone & pyramidhttp://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/64855/1033813/post.ashx#1033813 | ||
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| Satanus | Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
GumballMaybe freddy accidentally touched it one day while taking a weewee.SS | ||
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| Farkel | Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
shotgun,: Farkel did Nathan really tell bethelites that even telling the males how urinate without touching "it." Yes, he did. I believe Randy Watters was one of those who heard his tirades, but I'm not sure. Ask him.http://freeminds.org: How did they get it out of their pants without touching it?We can't ask Knorr, he died of braindeadness, but I'm sure he had a clever way to do it.His whole idea was for males not to "stimulate" themselves when they took a pee. I can't speak for everyone, but I can speak for myself: the only "stimulating" thing that ever happened to me when taking a pee was when the peeing was over. That's about it. Most males that I know do not think of females when taking a pee. They only think about taking a pee and then getting back to whatever they were doing before they had to take that pee.Peeing is not a very sexual experience despited what Knorr thought.Farkel | ||
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| Englishman | Re: 3 "Christian" Role Models | |
Knorr was obsessed with sex. He endlessly lectured Bethel members on the evils of masturbation, even telling the males how urinate without touching "it." I think there's a golden business opportunity here. I'm getting some leaflets printed then I'm mailing them around the world to all the bethels and KH's!Englishman. | ||
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I'm getting some leaflets printed then I'm mailing them around the world to all the bethels and KH's!Englishman.