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iiz2coolWTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...


My wife, who is intent on re-activating herself as a dub since I DA'd myself, went to the convention this past weekend. She showed me this new publication entitled "Learn From The Great Teacher", and placed great emphasis on these two pages I scanned and am posting. It makes a poor show of telling children what to do when confronted by a child abuser. While there are a few good tips, it's not nearly enough. They are advised to say that they will 'tell on them'(the abuser), but no mention is made of who they should go to, or what protection they will receive. And the illustration of the little girl warding off a sexual predator is ridiculous. It rarely, if ever, is that simple. In my opinion this is a cop out. Maybe they added this little blurb just so they can prove to the courts (during lawsuits), or adherents that they are addressing the issue. But in my opinion, it's far too little, far too late.

Walter

 

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RAYZORBLADEWTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

Thanks for posting that (scanned pages) iiz2cool.

The first paragraph from the page indicating that Jehovah will protect 'you'...like yeah right!?

Doesn't say WHO to go to. It should emphatically indicate the authorities.....but we know that that does not happen, do we?

Thanks Walter, and the scripture posted would even make me NOT want to pick up a bible ever again. Protect me? Who? Casper?

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kgfreepersonRe: WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...
People are reading this to their YOUNG children? Man.
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UzzahRe: WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

What irks me is how they still add to the guilt of the kids.
"When they do, boys and girls may start to do bad things that they have learned from these grown ups"

So rather than support these kids, they label them as bad.  Lumping them with the adults who abused them.

Can you feel the love?!?!  grrrrrrrrrrr

Uzzah

 
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AztecRe: WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

GRRRRR!!!!!  Bastards!

~Aztec
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Big TexRe: WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...
"Jehovah can protect his children or undo anything bad Satan does to them."

This really ticks me off. 

So when has God sent down a lightning bolt (or whatever) and fried a pedophile just in time?  It is so wrong to lie to children, especially about something as as serious as this.  Why put all the responsibility on saving a child onto God?  All that does is set the child up to blame God and vent tremendous anger onto God when he doesn't intervene.  It's not a question of if, it's when he doesn't. 

And when God doesn't intervene, and the abuse happens again, and again, and again, the child experiences a cold side of God.  The anger becomes sadness and is turned inward.  Why me?  What is wrong with me?  The Society said God would help but he didn't so the fault must be with me. 

Look at the amount of ancillary damage that is caused by some half-assed, poorly thought throw away line that sounds so easy and simple it can solve a tough problem.  But it can't.  This simple solution to a difficult problem causes more problems.

Now none of this is about the role of spirituality in recovery from abuse.  That is a whole different topic.  My problem is when a bunch of lying, hypocritical, *#@$%!!!!!es try to get God to play the role of cop.  That's not only asinine, it is spiritually and emotionally criminal.

 

 

 
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angelkinsRe: WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

For what ages is this book targeted?

The very first paragraph is so sick---for children of any age. What is wrong with these people?  (I can imagine that whoever was doing the overkill on mentioning the sexual organs was getting off on it.)

They are worse than ever.

 
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berylblueRe: WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

How is this child going feel when God does not save her, or does not "undo" what Satan has done?  In a child's mind, God "saving" and "undoing" may likely mean direct divine intervention.  When that doesn't happen, then what? 

Rosemarie
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shamusRe: WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

Sick lying bastards.

Pardon my English.

I'm not even one of those poor people on this board who was molested and had the thing covered up; think of how they feel about this crap.
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lisaBObeesaRe: WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

The first thing that comes to mind after reading this (after the need to throw up) is the idea that this now the official load of crap that must be fed over and over to all JW children. I imagine that this is what elders will be required to go over with any child who says they were abused. Can you imagine?? How awful!

The book instructs children what to do..to say “Stop that! I am going to tell on you!” But the book does not say that sometimes the child will not be able to do this, either because of being physically controlled or emotionally terrorized. What then? How will the child who did not, could not, yell, “Stop!” feel when the elders go over these pages with them? I’ll tell you how they will feel: GUILTY!!!! And very BAD!

Not to mention the fact that an abused child who reads this has to conclude that what was done to them was done by Satan!

And like others have pointed out, the book says Jehovah can and will protect his children, so what is the child to think when Jehovah does not stop the abuse? That Jehovah doesn’t love them for some reason. (probably because they are BAD.)

It is sick! Sick sick sick. If you think the other Great Teacher book gave nightmares, you aint seen nothing.

I really think this is just a bunch of crap written to show judges and media.

Sick.

-LisaBObeesa
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RAYZORBLADEI Think You're Right LisaBObeesa
I really think this is just a bunch of crap written to show judges and media.

You are right on the money Lisa.

Thanks for that insightful post.
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BONEZZRe: WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...
Let me see now...They use Genesis 19:4,5...the account of Lot, where the bad old people want to rape the angels he's giving shelter to...so Lot in his infinite wisdom offers his two virgin daughters to them instead. Now I'm no expert in child pyschology or abuse treatment...but it just seems to me that this may not be the correct account to relay to a child who's been molested or even been approached by a molester. Once again, WTBS opens mouth and inserts their collective feet! -BONEZZ
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grevenRe: WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

Bonezz,

You are on the mark! Even worse the account tells later of lot sleeping with his daughters!

God this is silly! Well actually it is very dangerous to expose your young child to. Ugh!

Greven
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NosferatuRe: WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

If Jehovah protects children, why do we need this book talking about child abuse?
Not to mention the fact that an abused child who reads this has to conclude that what was done to them was done by Satan!

Hit the nail on the head Lisa. Now, the abuser is no longer at fault, Satan is.

Another point of paranoia is when the book talks about other children trying to have sex with you. This is going to be emotionally disasterous for children. This may be a roadblock to prevent them from getting close to anyone their age.

What really messes things up is they say to watch out for other grown ups (and children) trying to touch their sex organs, but they learn at the meetings that Jehovah's people are "clean". We still get the sense that it's worldly people who are doing this.

Sounds like this book is meant for children who are just learning to read. It sounds more "siimple" than My book of BS
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cruzanheartRe: WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

Man, where do I start?  This is even worse than the chapter on masturbation in the old "Youth" book.
. . . some grown-ups like to have sex with children.  When they do, boys and girls may begin to do bad things that they have learned from these grown-ups.  They also begin to use their sex organs in a wrong way.

Oh, that's just great -- let some poor little kid who has been abused read that and hear the words "bad" and "wrong" associated with THEM and not with the abuser.  And that last statement is a very definite one:  "They also begin to use their sex organs in a wrong way" -- not, they MIGHT or they MAY -- so everything they do now, from going to the bathroom to showering, is WRONG and BAD.

God damn them all.

Nina
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be wiseRe: WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...
The Bible says that Satan is like a roaring lion who wants to eat us.  And just as lions want to pick on small animals, Satan and his demons often pick on children.

 

This is for children!!!  This makes me sick, sick – SICK!   Some things never change.  Sorry I can’t read the rest after seeing that picture – what a joke! 
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kgfreepersonRe: WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...
I was so stunned by the text that I overlooked the obvious point--your wife thought this stuff was good???
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blondieRe: WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

To get an outside opinion, why not send scans of these pages to your local child abuse support agencies and see what they think?

Blondie
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SwordOfJahRe: WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...
So let me get this straight.  If the Watchtower does nothing to educate and protect children, you criticize, if they publish straight-forward advice like this book to help children and parents, then you also criticize.   Does anything satisfy you people?   This book will help open a channel of communication between parent and child.  I know you all think that you are the best parents in the world, but the truth is, that most parents do not discuss these private matters with their children.  They allow the schools or their classmates educate them.  Of course they are misinformed.   It IS the parents responsability to warn their children about these sexual predators.  The Watchtower are helping the parents do this.    I'm sure since you all are the wisest people in the world , that you have a better idea of how to educate parents and how to talk to your children, but this books helps the other millions of parents that don't.
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lisaBObeesaRe: WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

Blondie:  I think that is an excellent idea.  I am going to do this this week.

Sword:  Nothing you said in your post addressed any of the concerns raised on this thread.
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