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Judge: Elders not required to report abuse
Saturday, June 21, 2003
By ANDREW WOLFE Telegraph Staff, wolfea@telegraph-nh.com

NASHUA – Jehovah’s Witnesses’ elders were obliged not to report complaints of sexual abuse made during confidential pastoral counseling sessions, a judge ruled earlier this month.

Hillsborough County Superior Court Judge William Groff’s ruling sets back a lawsuit brought by two sisters against their former congregation in Wilton and the national Watchtower Bible & Tract Society.

The sisters will appeal the ruling, their lawyer said.

Their suit stems from the case of Paul Berry, 47, formerly of Greenville, who was convicted of sexually assaulting his stepdaughter, Holly Brewer, 24, of Berkeley, Calif., while she was between 4 and 10.

Paul Berry was convicted on 17 counts of aggravated felonious sexual assault, and sentenced to serve 56 to 112 years in prison – one of the stiffest terms ever imposed for a sexual assault case in New Hampshire.

Charges that Berry also assaulted his biological daughter, Heather Berry, 21, of Charlestown, were dropped after he was sentenced, in effect, to life in prison in the first case.

The Telegraph ordinarily doesn’t identify victims of sexual abuse, but the sisters opted to go public when they filed the suit in 2001.

The sisters said they learned around the time of Berry’s trial that their mother, Sara Poisson, had told church elders of the abuse while it was happening and asked for their help. Their mother testified that the elders told her to keep quiet, pray more and strive to be a better wife.

The sisters charge that the elders should have reported the alleged abuse to state authorities.

The church argued, and Groff agreed, that the elders are covered by the state’s “religious privilege” rule, which protects the confidentiality of confessions or other confidential communications with religious officials.

Groff found that Jehovah’s Witness elders are “ordained ministers” under the law, and thus the privilege applies. He also found that the meetings during which the Berrys discussed their situation were treated as confidential by the church at the time, so the elders were barred from reporting any allegations or admissions of abuse.

The church disputes the sisters’ claims, and its lawyer, Donald Gardner of Manchester, has said church elders didn’t know about the abuse until long after it had stopped and police were involved.

Gardner could not be reached for comment. One of the lawyers representing the Berry sisters, Janine Gawryl of Nashua, said they expected all along that the issue would be decided by the state Supreme Court.

“We all knew, when we had our arguments before the judge, that we were presenting some difficult questions that haven’t really been resolved to any great degree. We already knew that either our side or the other side would lose . . . and that an appeal would be taken,” Gawryl said.

“This is just another stage in the process,” she added. “This (ruling) will not conclude the litigation. This is going to be presented to the New Hampshire Supreme Court in one fashion or another.”

Filed in August 2001 in Hillsborough County Superior Court, the Berrys’ suit has spawned six files worth of court documents. Because of Groff’s ruling, hearings on other issues in the case have been postponed, court records show.

Andrew Wolfe can be reached at 594-6410

 

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My comments: According to Watchtower doctrine, EVERY baptized JW is an "ordained minister." Applying this judge's reasoning, congregational "gag orders" are legitimate.

I hope the appeals judge reaches a different conclusion.


 
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DJRe: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse
That blows my mind. Why does the law allow criminal acts to be confidential? I can understand other matters being under the ecclesiastical (sp?) priveledge but criminal acts should be reported to the proper authorities imo.
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Lady Lee.Re: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse

Hello That judge needs to wake up

if the mother of the victims goes ot the elders and aske for help then privilege would not apply. It would apply if the abuser went to them and confessed

What part of that is hard to understand
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BusterRe: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse

Of course dubbies will refer to this as affirmation of just how closely they follow the law.  Most people understand the difference between law and justice - but not these clowns (no intended insult to clowns).  I once had a discussion with an elder who claimed he was prohibited from reporting - that somehow he would be breaking the law.  I focused immediately on the opportunity to protect other children, worldly and JW.   

The problem is, self-righteousness may be among the greatest vices.  Because it is untended by a conscience.
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Nathan NatasRe: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse
Things like this make me wonder about the competence of the Berry girls' attorney.
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minimusRe: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse
Are they required to report admitted sexual abuse???
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BusterRe: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse

Min, it varies from state to state.  Some states require reporting of all cases  - even suspected cases.  Others give clergy full immunity from the requirement.  Still others have found a middle ground for the time being.  The basic issue is the balance between religious freedom and protecting children - both critical underpinnings of our society. 

I think we can expect the states to continue to enact more mandatory reporting laws.  But those won't apply to past problems.  For the short term, the crucible will be the civil courts.  As Lady Lee points out, there are plenty of holes in the "we don't have to report" defense.  But unlike the Catholics, the difficulty will be in getting the R&F dubbies to rise up and make it clear that they won't tolerate it anymore.  ( I'm a bit sceptical on that one though)
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caligirlRe: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse

I find this ruling extremely disappointing, to say the least. I was truly hoping that the judge would be presented with adequate evidence to rule in favor of the girls. The sad thing is, this decision is likely based on the simple fact that if the witnesses are recognized as ministers ( such as recognized to perform marriages), then all "benefits" of that station apply, including the right to not reveal information to law enforcement. It is an unfortunate ruling, to be sure, and I hope that it is remedied during the appeals process.

I definitely feel that priviledge should NOT extend in matters such as this, and that the simple fact that the elders claim minister status, but never fail to fall back on being "imperfect, untrained men" should automatically disqualify them from using the argument that they are ministers and entitled to not reveal what is  "confessed." I do not think they should be able to have it both ways and use whichever excuse is convenient.

 

 
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ashitakaRe: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse

That judge obviously think with his be-hind.  Blows my mind.

ash
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badwillieRe: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse

I don't get this.  Where would the law then draw the line?

What If I go to an elder (minister) and report that my father has been kidnapping children from my neighborhood, bringing them back to our house and raping them.  Would the judge say it is ok to keep that quiet.

No, I don't think so. I think the biggest problem here is that the society we live in is somehow minimizing these atrocites when they occur within a family in their own house.   This is an outrage!
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SheilaMRe: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse
I always wonder about a judge that will uphold this kind of thing. Makes you wonder what skelteon's he has rattling in his closet huh???
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oldcrowwomanRe: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse

 

  I am outraged~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

OCW
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shamusRe: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse

I just can't get over it!

It is illegal in Canada to do this... cover up sexual abuse of any type!  If someone comes to even a counsellor, and tells them of sexual abuse, it is their job to get the person to report it to police, or tell the police, isn't it?

The elders just told her to shut up. 

could this ruling be used in other cases?  Did they prove that the elders did indeed tell them to shut up about the abuse?  That's ILLEGAL, in my view!

Too many questions...
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be wiseRe: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse

They also recomend elders give caution about seeking professional help, especially 'Group Therapy' or 'Talk Therapys'.  They say 'Talking indiscriminately to others about child abuse may result in circulating damaging and harmful talk' Refering to PROVERBS 17:9.  

How they truely love the victims of child abuse in there organisation.
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bluesapphireRe: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse

Maybe it will be better if it is handled in the Supreme Court.  More publicity that way.  This judge obviously lacks analytical skills.  He should see the difference between a mother asking elders for help and a person confessing to sins.  Two very distinct situations which do not parallel each other whatsoever.  I believe Nathan may have hit the nail on the head about the competence of the Berry's attorneys.  Why did they fail to drive that point home?  I hope they do better in the higher court.

 
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sf  Re: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse

I emailed this out to: (Sean) Hannity@foxnews.com and included O' Reilly @foxnews.com too of my disgust inn this judge and if they indeed cared about all kids an America, as Hannity 'acts asif' he does, then it is their duty to report and let US decide.

I also emailed it to National Govenors Association as well as American Council of Life Insurers President, Frank Keating.  I also plan on putting Nancy, his assistant, on my 'call list' for Monday; to stress the outrage over this judges 'ruling'.

Also, it was sent out to local media.

I basically called the media hypocrites for not reporting this organization's churches crimes and lethal policies and deadly interpretation of scripture.  And I indeed put a degree of shame on them. 

For this 'judge' to Rule this Way, is incomprehensible and an outrage.

What will YOU do to get this ruling overturned and /or is it possible?  And how?

sKally, 250 tork, klass
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freedom96Re: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse
This ruling sucks, however, there is no reason the victom in the case cannot go to the police.
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wednesdayRe: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse

I think part of the problem is a lot of people still see JWS in a good light. Not everyone believes the media, and even if they do, how bad has it hurt the catholic church? People still revere the  Pope.  My doc  thinks they are some of the nicest people he has known.  They are for the most part clean living and honest.  At least that is  the input i  get from coworkers.  To show them up, it will be hard- Ripping the lid off this house of white  washed graves. There will have to be a lot more media coverage to get people interested in this.  Things seem ot go in  cycle  with the media.  They focused on cults in the 60-80, and there was a lot of interest.  Now it is child porno and abuse.Who knows what will happen to blow their cover.  Perhaps a child of an well known person? Also, remember the Ta,mmy faye baker scandals?  We all thought it was the end of organized religion. it was not.  people still whatch those revolting shows and give them money.  people will just refuse to believe naything bad about their religion.  The followers of Baker and such all claim it was evil persucution (sp) form the devil.  go  figure. and then there was the  big deal about repressed memories and how therapits  induce them.  There for a while therapits were being sued.  I know a doc who got sued sucessfully for dx a MPD and telling her family.  But u don't see it in the news anymore .It is still a problem.

News has become a  show all its own.  The more scandal the better.  So people are not tenidng to take stuff seriously-no more than i take the national enquirer seriusly.      
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berylblueRe: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse
What If I go to an elder (minister) and report that my father has been kidnapping children from my neighborhood, bringing them back to our house and raping them.  Would the judge say it is ok to keep that quiet.

No, I don't think so. I think the biggest problem here is that the society we live in is somehow minimizing these atrocites when they occur within a family in their own house.   This is an outrage!

You are SO right. I guess it's okay to molest one's own children.

Rosemarie
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rocketmanRe: Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse
I guess this judge is putting the 'ecclesiatical privilage' thing first. Funny how the jws claim their elders are "untrained" when it suits them.
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