A WTS lie for UN "association"

by hawkaw 48 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    I have posted something similar to this on the big UN thread but because people may not look at the big thread or are confused about where to look for stuff (which happened yesterday), I have decided to post this topic as a separate thread.

    There are two big lies that the Watchtower is going to tell the world as seen in the Gillies letter to the Guardian newspaper and the Nov 1, 2001 letter from the WTS head office to all Branches. The one lie is the "we didn't know the criteria" defence. The other lie is the "UN library access" defence. This thread shall deal with the "UN library access" defence.

    The Watchtower is going to tell the Witnesses (and the press for that matter) that "the reason why the Watchtower, as an existing NGO, became "associated" with DPI, was that the Watchtower needed to use the United Nations' library for research material on health, social, environmental, population and ecological problems.

    The Watchtower will also tell the Rank and File that the Watchtower had been using the UN library before 1991 without associating with DPI but after 1991 the Watchtower's access would have been denied from the UN library unless the Watchtower became "associated" with DPI.

    So is this Watchtower explanation true or is this explanation false.

    Well lets look at access to "The Dag Hammarskjöld Library". The link can be found here:

    ( http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/services.htm#access

    Access

    The Dag Hammarskjöld Library is a special library whose mandated role is to serve the information needs of United Nations permanent Mission staff and Secretariat staff; however, permission to use the Library is also given for short periods of time to advanced-level researchers (PhD candidates, authors, etc.) who have found that materials required to complete their research are unavailable at depository libraries.

    Persons wishing to establish whether the Dag Hammarskjöld Library has the materials required for their research and to request application forms for access may contact the Senior Reference Librarian at the UN/SA Collection Reference Desk. Completed forms, together with required attachments, are forwarded to the United Nations Security and Safety Service for clearance and issuance of a pass. Owing to security requirements, the clearance procedure generally takes two to three weeks. A Help Line has been set up to provide guidance for external researchers needing assistance in tracking down information about the United Nations and its documentation.

    Access to the United Nations Bibliographic Information System (UNBIS) databases is freely available through UNBISnet to any Internet user. For further information contact the Data Base Manager. Clearly after reading the above url you will conclude that this Watchtower's reason for "partnering" with DPI is false.

    You can access the UN library without "association" to DPI. In fact I am not "associated" with DPI and I got the UN reference librarian to facsimile the 1994 Brochure from DPI (that outlines what NGOs have to do to become "associated" with DPI)(Kent will hopefully publish that for you shortly and it is on the Freeminds web site).

    Even worse is that the UN sends out all of its material it publishes to UN depositories. These depositories are so common that there is even one in my home town of Kingston, Ontario, Canada at the Staffers Library at Queen's University.

    These UN depositories have everything and anything about the UN including the General Assembly's, Security Council's and ECOSOC's minutes, resolutions and reports. There are all the volumes of the UN Year Books, all the volumes of the UN's human rights books, volumes of trade books, economic books and population statics books. The UN Depository in Kingston makes up a huge area of the library at Staffers. And oh yeah, it contains some of those pesky UN DPI directories that list all NGOs too - hehehehe.

    Also there is a thing called interlibrary loans. I use it all the time. This means my UN depository at Queen's Unversity can request any book or magazine from the UN library on a loan basis. Thus, I can access anything I want from the UN library through my library in town. And, oh yeah, I don't have to be "associated" with DPI either. In fact that is how I am getting my hands on the 1993, 1995 and 1997 UN DPI directories on NGOs - hehehehe - and the UN reference librarian even said to me it was no problem and it would take about a week or two for the shipment to arrive.

    So if the Watchtower was supposedly banned from the UN library in 1991 the Watchtower researchers could have easily gone to any UN depository in the greater New York City area and received the exact same stuff as was found at the UN main library.

    So is there any UN depositories located in the greater New York City area and close to the WTS headquarters?

    Well a list of UN depository libraries near the Watchtower's head office is found here:

    ( http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/Deplib/usa.htm

    New York State -- New York City
    Columbia University (DL-173EX)
    Arthur W. Diamond Law Library
    (Attn.: Acquisitions Dept.)
    435 West 116th St., Box A-6
    New York, NY 10027-7297
    Tel: +1 212 854 3743
    Fax: +1 212 854 3295
    E-mail: [email protected]
    Internet: http://library.law.columbia.edu/

    DL-173EX (Apr 1948)
    Full deposit: Publications and masthead documents in English

    Council on Foreign Relations (DL-203EX)
    Library
    58 E. 68th St.
    New York, NY 10021
    Tel: +1 212 434 9583
    Fax: +1 212 434 9824
    E-mail: [email protected]
    Internet: http://www.cfr.org/public/

    DL-203EX (Jun 1947)
    Partial deposit: Publications in English

    New York Public Library (DL-175)
    Science, Industry & Business Library
    188 Madison Ave.
    New York, NY 10016
    Tel: +1 212 592 7000
    Internet: http://www.nypl.org/research/sibl/

    DL-175 (Jun 1947)
    Partial deposit: Publications in English

    New York University (DL-500)
    Elmer Holmes Bobst Library
    UN Collection
    70 Washington Square South
    New York, NY 10012-1091
    Tel: +1 212 998 2610
    Fax: +1 212 995 4442
    E-mail: [email protected]
    Internet: http://www.nyu.edu/library/bobst/research/soc/un-govt/

    DL-500 (Nov 1949)
    Full deposit: Publications and masthead documents in English

    St. John's University School of Law (DL-358)
    The Rittenberg Law Library
    8000 Utopia Parkway
    Jamaica, NY 11439
    Tel: +1 718 990 1896
    Fax: +1 718 990 6649
    E-mail: [email protected]
    Internet: http://www.law.stjohns.edu/law/

    DL-358 (Aug 1997)
    Full deposit: ODS access and publications in English

    So don't let the Watchtower fool you people into thinking that the Watchtower, as an existing Non Governmental Organization (NGO) needed to become "associated" with the Department of Public Information (DPI)in 1991 when regular folks like you or me can access this same UN information all over the world and at the UN library without being "associated" with DPI

    hawk

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Oh just in case you want to know about the "PRINCIPLES GOVERNING UNITED NATIONS DEPOSITORY LIBRARIES" go here:

    ( http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/deplib/i189a11.htm

    I decided to quote this for you:

    I. General
    1. In order to make its documents and publications available throughout the world, the United Nations maintains a system of depository libraries to which such documents and publications are sent under the conditions outlined in sections III and IV below.
    V. Extent of Deposited Material

    15. All depository libraries shall receive automatically, according to their needs, all publications offered for sale and public information material distributed free, if available in the official language of their choice. Normally, the entitlement shall be limited to material in one official language.

    16. Those depository libraries that, in the opinion of the Publications Board, are able to handle a larger volume of material shall receive, in addition, all other generally distributed documents and publications of the United Nations - whether printed or masthead - if available in the official language of their choice. Normally, the entitlement shall be limited to material in one official language.

    17. Depository libraries so requesting may receive selected series only from among those included under the deposit entitlement as described in paragraphs 15 and 16 above.

    18. Depository libraries that can provide appropriate viewing facilities are entitled to a 50 per cent discount from the list price if they subscribe through the United Nations Sales Section to sets of microform editions of documents and publications.

    So there is absolutely no reason to go to the UN to get research material on health, trade, social and population problems when other libraries carry the same stuff in the greater New York area.

    hawk

  • wheelwithinwheel
    wheelwithinwheel

    If it was necessary to become an associate of the Catholic Chruch to use the Vatican library ... and the Watchtower believed it necessary to use the Vatican's library ...

    Or has this already been said?

  • badwillie
    badwillie

    Thanks Hawk,
    This crap with the UN is really pissing me off!
    I want to get militant now.
    - BadWillie

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Badw,

    If you want to do something go here and read:

    ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=15318&site=3

    LET'S ROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    hawk

  • You Know
    You Know

    This whole business with the Watchtower being associated with the United Nations as an officially recognized NGO is very interesting to me. I am not, of course, looking for some pretext to accuse the Watchtower, as are apostate Jehovah's Witnesses. Nor am I looking for some excuse to excuse myself from the organization. My interest in these matters is more from the standpoint of how Jehovah views this sort of thing. That is after all the only thing that really matters. I seriously doubt that the majority of Jehovah's Witnesses will ever get wind of the Watchtower's association with the United Nations, at least not in the manner in which apostates are going about it. It is not something that is overt, at least not yet, but as your efforts show, the truth has to be painstkingly excavated. But, I certainly do not intend on publicizing such a disturbing thing that could stumble someone. Yet, on the other hand, Jesus stated quite emphatically that nothing hidden will not come to light eventually. So, let the chips fall where they may.

    I don't buy the lame library card excuse. It is not credible. It is incredible to me that otherwise cautious and discreet men could do something so indiscreet so as to get the Watchtower's name published as a supporter of the United Nations. It does explain though why the Watchtower has spoken very favorably of the United Nations while denouncing nationalism. It seems to me that there is an unfaithful element buried deep within the Society, even an apostate faction in Bethel itself that is subtly steering the Watchtower onto the rocks in a deliberate act of sabotage. It makes perfect sense to me as I look at the prophecies in the light of this development.

    I am more convinced than ever that Jehovah's judgments are going to lay the Watchtower low and that only the faithful, those who really do love the truth and actually have faith in Jehovah, will survive the purge and eventually be restored to his favor. If we knew exactly how Jehovah's judgments were going to go down there would be no need to stay in expectaion of them, as the Scriptures repeatedly exhort the faithful to do. I remember some brothers saying from the platform years ago, you probaby remember hearing it too, something to the effect that Armageddon survivors will be surprised by who's there as well as who's not. That was evidently a very insightful comment.

    There is no question but that what the organization needs is a house cleaning, beginning with the house of God, otherwise know as Bethel. Jehovah is in a perfect position to do just that.

    / You Know

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Good stuff there, Hawk.

    I recall that Stephen Bates said that The Guardian had refused to publish a letter from Paul Gillies (UK WTBTS spokesman)in which he made the library ticket excuse. The Guardian said that it was obviously untrue, and as such would not be a party to printing lies.

    Englishman.

    Nostalgia isn't what it used to be....

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    You know,

    I'm stunned ..... wow .... I'm just stunned ..... wow ..... stunned ... the GB guys (or who ever at Bethel) even have you upset about this whole issue .... I'm stunned .... Jesus, every day now, something else ... this story has more twists than a bag of pretzels.

    Did you read what I had to say about the 1994 Brochure on the criteria?

    I hope the clean up that you talk about brings about the change you and many desire.

    Englishman

    Steve is away for a little while but will return on the 12th of November, 2001. He is fully aware of what is going on thanks to people like you on this board.

    hawk

  • waiting
    waiting

    Howdy Hawk,

    hehehehe
    You are one wild-ass crazy guy (loosely quoting Steve Martin.) I appreciate it soooooooo much when y'all break this stuff down into Common English and Common Thoughts - for the commoners like moi. Thank you.

    I like MadApostate's posts, but he tends to confuse the hell out of me, particularily if I've not had my glass of wine (or 3). Excellent information, but not "common."

    As for saying, "well, I had to join so I could....." I believe it was published in the late 60's that the Vatican had the largest private collection of (then judged) pornography in the world. Period.

    Therefore, Wheel etc., could use the argument, "well I had to join the Catholic Church to view their private pornography." As opposed to the public kind, eh?

    I also think it's fascinating - even stunned - that those pesky apostates are most likely with the GB - as signatures etc., are waaay high up in the UN scandal.

    Thanks, as always.

    waiting

  • LDH
    LDH

    You Know says

    It seems to me that there is an unfaithful element buried deep within the Society, even an apostate faction in Bethel itself that is subtly steering the Watchtower onto the rocks in a deliberate act of sabotage.

    The truth of the matter is the whole of Bethel is apostate. There is no 'apostate faction'--but nice try for an excuse as to why this has happened.

    hahahah Sabotage. At the hands of LLoyd Barry.

    Lisa

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