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TooBad TooSadReading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"


I like to read the KM to see what the WTBTS is saying, and then to think about what they really mean.

Information appears in the KM when problem need to be addressed in the organization.  The article on

the front page "Make the Most of Your Time in the Ministry" was insightful to me.  In the fourth paragraph

we find these encouraging words "Once the meeting for field service ends, do not linger unnecessarly, but

begin by making your way to the territory."  It appears that the brothers and sisters are not too eager to

get out there and knock on doors of people who are not home, or burn up their $3.00/gallon of unremibursed

gasoline.  They like to "linger".  (there will be no lingering in Jehovah's organization !!!!!!!!)

The paragraph continues "If you anticipate having to leave the territory early, arrange for your own transportation

so that the rest of the group does not have to leave early."   It appears that if the driver of the the car group says

after one hour " I have to go in because I have a doctor appointment or an important errand to

run"  that the whole group says "OK that is fine I will stop too have things to do too."  (meeting with the group is for show

anyhow.  Once you were out and the friends saw that you were out in service this is "mission accomplished."  It is not

about saving lives, it is about appearances.  I should know because I did it for over 40 years.)

In paragraph 5 we find the encouraging words dealing with return visits "If you anticipate a lengthy visit, arrangements

can be made for those in your group to preach nearby."  Sitting in a car waiting for someone inside is the best time.

You get to sit in a warm car, you don't have to talk to strangers, uou are not burning up your gasoling and the clock

is still ticking, you are still punched in counting time and you can get caught up on the latest gossip.

It sounds like the Society is beginning to crack down on this.  The article that made my jaw drop was the insert

on "Bear Through Witness to the Good News."  In paragraph 5 we find "If you are elderly or infirm, you may be able

to auxiliary pioneer by spending a little time each day in the ministry."  The word infirm means "weak, feeble, not

stable, or frail."  I thought to myself what the heck is going on?  Is the ministry activity going down hill so fast that

they need to encourage the infirm and elderly to pioneer?  No doubt the reason is so the elders can say that

if "Sister Wheelchair" or "Brother Cripple" or Sister Dementia" can out in service every day then why can the

young, the teenages, those with good health, or wifes who don't have to work be a pioneer since Armegeddon

is soon, just around the corner.

I just had to share my thoughts with you. 

 TooBad TooSad

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blondieRe: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"

The elders are the best time wasters.

1) drop off the publishers, then go back and pick them up, never spending any time talking to anyone yourself.

2) going off with a MS to make special calls and errands

3) going off with one's family every Saturday morning, never spending time with the rank and file

4) scheduling a "bible study" on Saturday morning but always going by yourself

5) taking much time for the meeting for field service, waiting for the late ones, taking 30 to 45 minutes before even getting in the car.

6) stopping for coffee break at 10:45 and taking 45 minutes, then quitting because it's 11:30, saying you will make an RV on the way home.

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Gary1914Re: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"
The elders are the best time wasters.
1) drop off the publishers, then go back and pick them up, never spending any time talking to anyone yourself.
2) going off with a MS to make special calls and errands
3) going off with one's family every Saturday morning, never spending time with the rank and file
4) scheduling a "bible study" on Saturday morning but always going by yourself
5) taking much time for the meeting for field service, waiting for the late ones, taking 30 to 45 minutes before even getting in the car.
6) stopping for coffee break at 10:45 and taking 45 minutes, then quitting because it's 11:30, saying you will make an RV on the way home.

 

OMG Blondie, it's like you're following me around!

I'm an elder and I do all of that in order to avoid going in service.  In fact, I have not been door-to-door in months now.

Of course, I still count my time which is above average.

No. 4 is my specialty, but I always "take alone" the wife and kids.

 

 

 

 

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OnTheWayOutRe: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"

Blondie is right about the elders.  They send the group out, but have an important
meeting with other elders.  They get out to meet the group after a delay to
shepherd or wait for Sister Late.  They leave early as Blondie mentioned.

On Sunday, after the meeting, they have important stuff to do instead of meet
with the group. 

These Kingdom Ministry articles or reminders from C.O.'s or at Conventions come
out periodically.  They seem to have a tiny effect for a tiny while, then back to
the same-old same-old.  Do you really think the car group will get out of the car
and "preach" if the return visit lasts awhile?  No- especially not in January.  The
article would better serve April or May, while it is fresh in minds.  Lingering at the
Hall does stop for a time, but switches to somewhere outside the Hall.  Those
breaks- some things will never change. 

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TuesdayRe: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"

The elders are the best time wasters.

1) drop off the publishers, then go back and pick them up, never spending any time talking to anyone yourself.

2) going off with a MS to make special calls and errands

3) going off with one's family every Saturday morning, never spending time with the rank and file

4) scheduling a "bible study" on Saturday morning but always going by yourself

5) taking much time for the meeting for field service, waiting for the late ones, taking 30 to 45 minutes before even getting in the car.

6) stopping for coffee break at 10:45 and taking 45 minutes, then quitting because it's 11:30, saying you will make an RV on the way home.

That's so funny the one time I went in service with an elder alone the time was spent as follows:

1.) Meeting for field service at 9, since he was conducting the meeting his time started then.

2.) Conducted meeting and figured out the service arrangements. Which brought the time to 10:00

3.) Went outside to re-do the service arrangements due to who had which cars, which lasted till 10:15.

4.) Drove to the place of service which took till 10:30

5.) Checked on all the others who were in service to make sure they were on the right street till 10:45

6.) Break at 10:45 till 11:30 making sure to drop a tract on the table to the waitress to count the time.

7.) Get back to the territory at 11:45. 

8.) Check on the rest of the group till 11:55.

9.) Finish the last three houses of one group's street till 12:00

10.) Go back to the Kingdom Hall for the 12:30 service meeting.

It's a good plan if you can make it work, it all ran like clockwork though so I'm figuring he had some expirience in doing this method of preaching.

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mavieRe: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"
6) stopping for coffee break at 10:45 and taking 45 minutes, then quitting because it's 11:30, saying you will make an RV on the way home.

This was normal in my Kingdom Hall. Everybody began to arrive at the local grocery store where they had coffee shop and a few tables in the store around 10:45 to 11:00. We would get about 30 people in a small 4 table sitting area plus some overflow into the grocery store aisles. People would begin to leave around 11:15, most would be gone by 11:30. The majority of the JW's, including me, tried to stretch the break as long as possible. I tried to arrive at 10:45 and leave at 11:30.

I felt embarrassed that our group would inevitably be loud and obnoxious in the grocery store. I routinely tried to find a stop out of the way where shoppers would not notice me.

Our KH's practice of taking 30-45 minute breaks was the topic of a local needs talk one week. The elder giving the talk admonished us to take only 10 minutes and that we should not be reporting our break time as field service. Some tried to make an effort but after a month we were back to taking 30-45 minute breaks. It was the only thing that made service bearable for me. I suspect the same is true for many others.
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yknotRe: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"
        scheduling a "bible study" on Saturday morning but always going by yourself

TY you just gave me the best idea....

Imagine in this day and age where no one is home but always on the run....

I can "schedule" a return visit or study at the nail salon, the mall food-court, any resturant, at my computer thanks to my webcam or any place I can sit my butt down.....oooohhh wait with the MP3 I can argue that my walking buddies are listening and we are discussing spiritual things on our trips around the track, or while shopping....wow

My KH will be reporting a big increase in activity

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HermanoRe: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"
Good topic. Brings back a lot of memories. Shout out goes to Hermano Pineda in Boston, #1 time waster.
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MarjorieRe: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"
"If you are elderly or infirm, you may be able

to auxiliary pioneer by spending a little time each day in the ministry."  The word infirm means "weak, feeble, not

stable, or frail."

The hell you say!

You know, this is one of of the reasons why I left.  There were times when, due to my illness, I was barely able to hobble into the KH, and sometimes I had to sit in a chair in the vestibule because I couldn't make it to the main part of the Hall.  You would think that the elders would be glad that I at least showed up, but no, after a few times times they removed all the chairs in the vestibule in order to force me to go in.  That was when I started sitting in the ladies'.  Then I stopped showing up altogether.  There was no way I was going to kill myself for them!

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Bonnie_ClydeRe: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"

I can only imagine what it would have been like trying to take my mother in FS during the last 7 years of her life.  Not only was she in a wheelchair most of the time, she had Alzheimers.  She wouldn't have had the least idea what was going on.  After she couldn't make it to meetings any more, the congregation forgot she existed, until her funeral.  Then everybody told me how much they missed her and what a wonderful person she was.

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confused and lostRe: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"
I havent got my KM for Jan 08 yet but weve just had our co visit and in one of his talks he was highlighting the 2 main needs in the UK. 1) Spending more time in the ministry.surprise,surprise.. 2) The need for more MS and Elders. It seems that the jws love of the ministry is growing cold.Could this have something to do with the fact that 93 yrs have gone by and the same old,same old message is being preached.The end is coming soon !! Our co even encouraged us to conduct bible studies with people over the telephone. On the subject of servants and elders I have noticed that as soon as someone is appointed their whole demeaner changes.The first talk or item they have at the KH is peppered with the latest info from the WT mag.They become fully fledged members of the "party",their wives suddenly start answering more often and the invites to other jw homes increase.One flock under one shepherd ? I think not.There is a clear hierarchial system in operation that none of the fools can see.Maybe Satan has blinded the minds of these "watchtowerites" so the REAL good news about Christ cannot shine forth.This post may seem like I am bitter at them all.I am not,in fact before I eventually leave the borg I intend to sow as many seeds of doubt in the WTS as I can.Why ? Because there are people in my cong that I care about very much and true love for them will not allow me to at least try to set some of them on the "right" road before it is too late.Take care all.
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WTWizardRe: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"

It sounds like they are phasing out those time wasters.  Get to the Kingdumb Hell at 9:00 AM, and get into the territory before 9:15 (and 9:05 would be optimal).  Then run from door to door at top speed.  Everyone needs to be knocking hard enough to be heard.  If one group gets in for a long time, they need to have everyone else doing something else all the while.  No more warming up when it is -40 and windy out.

That is also trying to knock out the going in after one hour excuse.  Gone will be the days when you will be going in at 11:30 instead of noon.  They want people that normally go in at noon to stay out until 12:30 PM, or 2, or 3, 4...  Only in the event of a real emergency, of which the number of permissible excuses is dwindling, is a person actually allowed to go in early.  It is also not to disrupt others who could stay out longer but might not want to.

I bet this is to be the beginning of the end of people showing up late or straggling.  Also, the going to pick someone up and having to waste another half hour will be done away with, as they will expect everyone to get cars (even those who cannot or will not get a license or spend the money on a car that they do not otherwise need).  For a while, it will be ignored by many as even the hounders themselves waste a lot of time.  Incidents of hounders wasting time are even posted here on this thread.  Then the hounder-hounder will put a stop to it, threatening to remove hounders that do not adopt a zero tolerance for stragglers, late time, coffee breaks, warming up and cooling off, and having people sit in the car while it's raining and the other group is at a call.  Before long, it will be drudgery non stop.

That is something I would not be looking forward to if I was still in or if I ever get forced and dragged back.  Aside the first few months when the promises were still coming out, I could not tolerate going out in field circus non stop for hours at a time without a break.  Not that I would be tired.  I just wanted to stall.  There were calls that made me want to puke just thinking about going to.  And now they want me to race toward such events. 

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HortensiaRe: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"
so glad to read this - fs bored me to the point of wanting to scream scream scream - but I was pioneering with a bunch of real sincere JWs so we took short breaks and actually put in all the time we reported. omigod I am so glad those days are over and it makes me feel good to know I was not the only one who hated every minute of it. I must still have some lingering shreds of guilt over what a slacker I was.
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SirNose586Re: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"

Wow, what a killjoy of an article. It stomps on what little downtime there could be had out there.

The poor dubs have less and less to look forward to--they're always getting beaten by their master Slave!

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Billy the Ex-BetheliteRe: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"

"Once the meeting for field service ends, do not linger unnecessarly, ..."

As an elder, in my congregation I hereby decree that all lingering is necessary !!  [cue applause]

Whenever possible, I shall assign one unbaptized publisher to every car group to keep everyone's time counting from start to finish !!  [cue louder applause]

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chickpeaRe: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"

ever hear of the "star of david" pioneer? the zealous one who has RVs in many locales so his/her route in service, when mapped, resembles said star!!!  a guaranteed time killer (learned that one from an elderly elder's elderly wife who was decrying the shameless display!)

then there was the pioneer/elder/study conductor who talked me into aux pioneering .... telling me he pumped up HIS hours by waking his 4YO son up at 730 for a bible study and started the clock on his hours!!....so by the time he was conducting the FS mtg he was already had 1.5 hrs.....  and this was AFTER they dropped therequired  pioneer hours the first time

 

 

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flipperRe: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"
Too Bad, Too Sad-   It really makes me sick, now that I've been out of the org. for 4 years how they browbeat older people, crippled people, and all others to do more, more, more. Nothing is ever enough with this organization ! It is the perfect example of an organization under " cult mind control". This is how they control theirmembers, through fear ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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SnakesInTheTowerRe: Re: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"

Blondie...

I like the list...here were my favorite time wasters.....

1.) Offer to drive during "Early Morning Laundromat" witnessing...make sure the route works out so I (as driver) got out at the ones where no one was there to talk too,.,,While there, leave 1 new magazine, take the other dozen issues from the early 1990s (this in 2005) and trash can them (after tearing them to shreds)  UP TO 2 HOURS FREE TIME

2.) Drive slowly and encourage quick stops for coffee and soda (you know, those big 52 oz Humdinger drinks at the convenience store)  MIGHT GET OUT AT EMPTY PLACES TWICE IN TWO HOURS

3.) Drive slowly and encourage separate quick bathroom breaks, about the time that the others were half way through the aforementioned Humdingers.  SAME AS #3

4.) Instead of accepting others apologies for overstaying at a laundromat while they were actually doing real witnessing, commend them for their enthusiasm and let them know "That's what this is all about...talking to people"...thus enforcing in their mind its OK to stay long in the laundromat (while I enjoy counting time in the car, NOT witnessing.)  EXTENDS TIME BETWEEN TIMES I HAD TO ACTUALLY GET OUT

5.)  I disagree on the dragging my feet at the KH....as the conducting elder, I used to turn out the lights while people were still lingering....much better to get everyone out promptly in the misery so that I can then go to my "phantom RV" by myself...better known as a coffee shop in another territory.  LOL  (BONUS points if pioneers commend you for "helping" them get their time started sooner)  (NEGATIVE POINTS because the other elders didn't like it...because it meant they had to start knocking sooner...)  BETTER FOR ME TO GET STARTED ON MY COFFEE BREAK OR BACK HOME FOR MUCH NEEDED SLEEP

6.) "Star Method" of Return Visits....great back in the day when gas was a $1/gallon...not so great when its $3/gallon...GREAT FOR A "LONG DAY"....ORbetter to just not bother... 

 ...oh that's right...that's what I am doing RIGHT NOW!!!   No Field Circus for Mr. Snakes since December 2007.

SnakesInTheTower (of the "not even a phantom publisher anymore" Sheep  Class)

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david_10Re: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"

I've been out of the loop for a long time now, but it doesn't look like things are much different now that they ever have been: basically, people hate going in service.    Another article in the Kingdom Ministry isn't going to change that, either--------------------------------elders, pioneers, publishers, one and all, are going to keep right on fudging their time.   

 When I was pioneering back in the early 70's, pioneers had to get in 100 hours a month and so we learned ALL the tricks. Now, I never actually lied on my report because that would have been stealing from Jehovah. But I became very skilled at manipulating numbers, just like publishers do today. The most common thing that I did was the Not - At - Home ploy. I had several not - at - homes scattered around and I would always start my time at one before meeting for service. Many times, I would get so desperate for time that I would go back and forth among these houses knowing that I would never have to talk to anybody. I know all the neighbors saw me and it's a wonder nobody ever called the police.

I remember the struggle for time would get so fierce that toward the end of the month I would go to the train station and bus station around midnight to pass out magazines, usually by leaving the back issues on a bench. I got to where I would do anything to get that time in. It was the only thing that mattered. Visit someone in the hospital or nursing home? Only if I counted my time. I had several elderly return visits and I would regularly go see them because I knew that they were so lonely they would always let me in and I could stay as long as I wanted and count the time.  Of course.

Love had nothing to do with it. Thinking about it now makes me feel sick and ashamed. And it never dawned on me how fanatical and pointless it was. And all my pioneer partners were the same way. We all thought that we were being blessed to put ourselves through that torture. After all, 1975 was bearing down on us and we were going to die if we didn't. And it didn't end there. Even after I was off the pioneer rolls, I was an appointed servant up until I left the Organization in 1987 and I had to do pretty much the same thing, only on a smaller scale. My "privileges" were very important to me and I had to keep those hours up. I think back on those times and I just can't believe I did it.

Sick and ashamed.

David

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jayhawk1Re: Reading between the lines in the January 2008 "Our Kingdom Ministry"

(Could already be mentioned)

Going to any Garage or Yard Sale along the way.  Talk about a perfect way to waste time.  Heck, a certain former pioneer sister would spend up to 30 minutes looking at each item of clothing.  After all, she was on a tight budget in order to pioneer, so nobody ever said anything about it.  But all that time would count, as she would leave a tract.  Of course we all counted the time too as we watched her pick through the stuff.

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