Disfellowshipping

hi folks, I have heard the latest news that in Germany it is no more announced on the platform, when someone is disfellowshipped.

This fact in future will only be given privately to the brothers.

Has anybody heard that too? Is that a typical German way because the Seltersbrothers demand the status of a church to save taxes and get public subvention.

Since 1990 they are keen to get this privlege but at present time they stay where they begun.

I remember when I studied with the witnesses some decades ago that an elder mentioned: We never would become church. That is the key to concordates with the state, Jehovahs witnesses would losse their clean status before god.

And now since the 90ies they change their doctrines in sbustituting military services and so on.

Frere Kelsey - vieux homme sans moustache,  le duc des boissons du Selters, pourquoi is est va comme ca?

very intresting, sounds realistick when it comes to that we must be a church to be taxfree, I now that this is one of the important things in courts in France and Russia, even in our year book some time ago it was told this.

I will check this widh my german elder friend when he comes here in july, he have a brother in selters so we will now.

This would be very interesting if it's true!The changes on voting, blood, and alternative service were all directly attributable to concerns over legal privileges in Europe; so I certainly find it quite believable.

So DF'ing is like another form of "marking"? How would the "clean" members of Jehovah's people know who they should shun, if no announcement were made?

This would be quite a setback for the JW's. Without shunning, they couldn't "lovingly" ignore their former members in a loving attempt to convince them that this is God's only loving worldwide brotherhood!

 

Remember the question was

so if it is private to some of them it is still known to all and they'll be able to "lovingly" ignore their former members.

This is astep in the wrong direction, if there was no formal announcement of df'ing, there can be no formal announcement of reinstating either, so people will continue to treat him/her as a df'd person forever incase they hearing he was reinstated was just a romour.

Hey now any DFed person can say they are reinstated and youll have to run to the elders.

Hey can you sue elders for violating privlage like you can lawyers? Because that would be great. You get DFed then the elder can't say publicly with out being liable. What is the WTS knows this and is defacto ending DFing. Where your true status is part of those many files they already keep secret.

 If true, it derates disfellowshipping.  It would make it more difficult to know who's in or out.

 Not dramatic progress, but a step in the right direction.

 

 Thank God for Europe,  they're bringing some sanity to this sick cult

 

metatron

Maybe it has something to due with the banning of J.W.s in Russia... as being a group that breaks up the family.

They don't want to get banned in Germany and are not going to announce it from the platform in halls.. so it cannot be used in court that they do such a thing. .. only privately.. not publically.

SK

The gossip mongers could have a field day with that one.  People could be surmised to be disfellowhsipped all over the place, and not actually be.

So well said! 

I don't think they need to announce it from the platform.  The gossip tree works well enough.

I won't think it's a step in the right direction until they are able to figure out its WRONG and UNLOVING and change the policy for that reason alone.  Not for some hidden agenda.

 

MULAN IS RIGHT. BY THE TIME THE RUMOR MONGERS= "ELDERETES, SISTER NOSEY, BROTHER IDIOT" AND OTHERS SPREAD THE RUMORS AROUND, IT WILL BE A THREE PAGE LIST OF THE SINS THIS POOR PERSON COMMITTED.

IF THIS IS TRUE, IT WILL CAUSE MORE GRIEF, ANGER, DEPRESSION, SUICIDES, AND A GENERAL CLIMATE OF FEAR FOR MANY AND A FEELING OF SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS FOR OTHERS, FAR GREATER THAN EXISTS TODAY.

A BIT OF SELF DESTRUCTION, AS I SEE IT.

GO FOR IT! 

Outoftheorg 

I hope it is true, but as Mark Twain said, "A lie travels around the world before the truth can even get its shoes on."

Farkel

if it is true,  then the big guys will probably  have the flock look to them for guidance in who they should avoid.  ie, if u are spoken to at the hall by the elders, then can the flock assume u are DF?  if that were the case, i would have been df for many years, b/c only a few people ever spoke to me.(and i was not df or da or anything, just unoffically shunned). It is of couse only a legal  thing, and they would probably give a talk about it about  as is the voting, military, and blood thing, u are still  out, whether they annouce it or not.  Those little nazis are quick to  spread rumors about u and ruin your life.

I wonder if this would effect the "talk" they give after a DF and such.  that talk always lets the flock know what the sin was .

Maybe they will pass out a flier each month to inform the congo of the status of each member.....or more likely instead of  announcing it from the public forum at the KH it will be annouced at the smaller bookstudy groups (in that way the possibility of public slander would be more  curtailed)