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jgnatTaking apart the Memorial


A new poster inspired me to take a look at the Memorial talk and the way that the Witnesses honor (dishonor) Jesus' memory. I had mentioned that the form is, from this Christian's point of view, an abomination. The participant is encouraged to look and not partake. This results in the vast majority of Witnesses and visitors to be passive observers in the memory of Christ, rather than active participants. The implicatons of this passivity horrifies me. It separates the regular observer from communion with Christ. How does the crowd come to this conclusion? Well, the memorial talk steadily outlines the reasons.

Are those reasons valid?

I suggest that there are a steady string of false assumptions leading up to the passing - but not tasting - the bread and the wine. And I invite you all to participate as we take a careful look at the outline.

I'll post the complete Memorial outline, as well as the specific scriptures regarding communion.

Then we can check some basic assumptions by the Witnesses.

- Are there two classes of Christians?
- Must only the "Anointed" partake? Are there only 144,000?
- Has Jesus come back as the Witnesses proposed, and is he enthroned in Heaven as we speak?

We can finish up on the various styles of communion in the churches, and if they are "wrong".
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jgnatRe: Taking apart the Memorial

The memorial talk:

CELEBRATING THE LORD’S EVENING MEAL

Song No. 87. Opening prayer

WHY FITTING FOR US TO BE HERE AT MEMORIAL? (8 min.)

The Memorial is a meal commemorating the death of Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 11:26)

It is fitting to memorialize Jesus’ death because of all it accomplished in the outworking of Jehovah’s purpose, namely-

(1) The vindication of Jehovah’s name

By his faithfulness to death, Jesus proved that a perfect human could keep perfect integrity under severe pressure, thus showing that Jehovah was just in requiring perfect obedience from Adam

(2) The sacrificial basis for the new covenant (Luke 22:20)

Those who are brought into new covenant are to be with Christ in heavenly Kingdom (John 14:2, 3; Hebrews 9:15)

(3) The ransoming of Adam’s offspring, making it possible for a "little flock" to rule with Christ in heaven and for other faithful humans to live forever in paradise on earth (Matt. 20:28; Luke 12:32; John 3:16; Luke 23:42, 43)

Why should commemoration of his death be observed annually?

Died on occasion of annual celebration of Jewish Passover

Passover came on Nisan 14 of ancient Hebrew calendar

So, Memorial is held after sundown, Nisan 14 {about full moon)

Unleavened bread and wine are symbols to be used in remembrance of Christ’s death Last year __ attended around earth, but ___ partook

Why so few partakers? How does this relate to your hope?

VALUE OF JESUS’ SACRIFICE IS AVAILABLE TO ALL (9 min.)

Jesus’ ransom sacrifice provides for two destinies (1 John 2:2)

A limited number, 144,000, go to heaven (Rev. 14:3, 4)

These are ones taken into new covenant

They are also in a covenant that Christ makes with them to rule in his heavenly Kingdom (Luke 22:29, 30)

Anointed with spirit, so know they are called ones (Rom. 8:16, 17, 30)

Apostle John was of that special group-"our sins" (1 John 2:2a)

Jehovah will also have worshipers living forever on earth

Spoken of as "other sheep"; not in "little flock" (John 10:16; Luke 12:32)

These benefit from the new covenant, but me not in it; therefore they should not partake as anointed ones do.

They are repentant part of the world of mankind who accept Jesus’ sacrifice and have their sins covered (1 John 2:2b; Rev. 7:14)

Al1 in attendance need faith in Jesus’ sin-atoning sacrifice to get life

THE EMBLEMS-REMINDERS OF WHAT? (8 min.)

Beneficial to examine events when this celebration instituted

Matthew 26:17-19:
Disciples prepared for Passover meal

Obtained needed unleavened bread, wine, arranged for lamb (John 13:21-30)

Matthew 26:20-25:
Jesus celebrated last valid Passover, after which he dismissed unfaithful Judas (John 13:21-30)

Matthew 26:26:
Instituted new celebration-Memorial of his death

He, the Lamb of God, used bread and wine then present (Luke 22: 17, 18) Jesus gave unleavened bread to eleven faithful apostles

Stood for fleshly body, uncontaminated by sin (1 Cor. 5:6-8; Heb. 7:26)

Bread was of whole grain flour and water, with no additives or leaven table

Christ's bones not to be broken, so his 'breaking' bread was just to pass it to disciples around the table.

Apostles could partake, for they accepted his sacrifice and looked forward to place in heavenly Kingdom (2 Tim. 2:12)

Matthew 26:27, 28:
Circulated cup of red wine among apostles

Plain red wine, without spices or drugs, represented his blood

Was "precious blood," for it made possible "forgiveness of sins" and provided sacrificial basis for new covenant (1 Pet 1:19)

Apostles could partake, for were to be in new covenant with prospect of being co rulers in heaven with Jesus

As they kept celebration each year, the wine would remind them of Jesus' sacrificial death

Matthew 26:30:
Ended commemoration with song

Most here, if not all, are not in new covenant with heavenly hope, but look for everlasting life on a paradise earth

Appreciate the value of Jesus' sacrifice (body and b1ood)-a ransom for all (Matt. 20:28; 1 John 2:2)

Even though there may be no one partaking of emblems locally, it is right that those with earthly hopes be here and observe commemoration

ACTUAL CELEBRATION OF LORD'S EVENING MEAL (10 min.)

Read 1 Corinthians 11:23, 24:
Qualified brother (of anointed if available and able) offers prayer and then the bread is passed

Read 1 Corinthians 11:25, 26:
Another qualified brother (preferably of anointed) prays and then the wine is passed

[Optional whether speaker comments during serving of emblems]

BENEFIT FROM THIS MEMORIAL CELEBRATION (10 min.)

Reminds us: A privilege to honor Jehovah as Universal Sovereign, and Jesus (John 522, 23)

We can be grateful to God for providing Jesus as his Vindicator and as our Ransomer.

Many here have proved gratefulness by becoming active Christian Witnesses; others can work toward that goal

Regularly associating at Christian meetings is a means of growing spiritually (can mention other meetings)

If you are not yet a baptized Witness, we will be happy to help you to progress so you can show that you do not forget the meaning of Jesus' blood and body

Invite qualified Christians to share in field service this week

All of us need to be faithful to the end, as Jesus was

Those anointed with spirit and called to heavenly life must keep that reward in mind, not tiring

Other faithful ones will receive reward of life on earth, possibly without ever dying (Rev. 7:9, 10, 14)

Trust God to help us conquer and gain reward (John 16:33)

Concluding song, No. 105.
Final prayer

[For further helpful information, see The Watchtower, February 15, 1985, pages 10-21, and Reasoning From the Scriptures, pages 266-269]

TO BE COVERED IN 45 Minutes

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reniaaRe: Re: Taking apart the Memorial

This is a thorough post jgnat thank you i just wondered if it would be useful to post an alternative mass the way another christian faith would do it for comparative study?

I'm going to look up memorial and post later tonight with my thoughts :)

 

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JCanonRe: Taking apart the Memorial

Interesting topic:

YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTIONS:

- Are there two classes of Christians?

Yes.  The temple organization, which is JWs is Biblically prophesied to be of two classes.  This is illustrated in the parable of the vineyard workers, where the 1st-hour workers know ahead of time they will get the "penny", representing heavenly life.  But from the third-hour workers to the 11th, they are not sure and expect "whatever is fair", which is certainly less.  An hour is 7 years in the Bible so this is the 77-year period from 1914 to 1991.  But the appearance of the third-hour workers after 21 years links to 1935, the official year the "other sheep"/earthly class were recognized.  So YES, there are two classes, with the first workers, the earliest witnesses all being anointed, then the appearance of some thinking they were not anointed in place by 1935.  That is the actual circumstance we generally see with the witnesses.  That is the anointed being the older original Bible students, etc.


- Must only the "Anointed" partake? Are there only 144,000?

Technically, yes.  The partakers are partakers of the body of Christ representing the heavenly class.  But there are more than 144,000.  Isa 6:13 speaks of a tree that is chopped down but 10% root is left remaining: 

 13And there will still be in it a tenth, and it must again become something for burning down, like a big tree and like a massive tree in which, when there is a cutting down [of them], there is a stump; a holy seed will be the stump of it.”

 

Reflect on the concept that the gentiles are considered wild olives grafted into the main tree.  Unfortunately, JWs and other Christians forget that the Jews are the "root" and they imagine all the Jews were lopped off and now the tree is 100% gentiles and Christians.  Not so.  True 90% was lost to the gentiles, even partly due to God's design so that the entire heavenly class represented all nations and tongues and peoples, but the Jews would not be forsaken.  They would have a guaranteed 10% which makes up the root.  Thus the root is the 144,000; 12,000 from each tribe.  If we presume that, then the entire number would 1,440,000 total.   So there is a limited number, the 144K represent the Jewish root, but the entire potential number is 1,440,000.

- Has Jesus come back as the Witnesses proposed, and is he enthroned in Heaven as we speak?

Jesus has returned, but not as the witnesses have proposed in 1914, but in 1992 based upon the critical correction of the ancient NB and Persian timelines where the 1st of Cyrus is restored to 455 BCE,  That means the fall of Jerusalem occurs in 529 BCE and the second coming based upon the 2520-year prophecy moves from 1914 to 1992. 

However, obviously whenever it is presumed Jesus returns that ENDS the Memorial.  Jesus said to keep this as a remembrance until he returns but then once he does return and eats that passover one last time, then he ends it!  So technically, even with the wrong date of 1914 the Memorial is a total farce based upon strict Biblical application. 

A Chronology reference is significant to the ending of the Memorial in the prophecy that "gift and sacrifice" would end at mid 70th week.   Jesus arrives at both the first and scond-coming during the 70th week.  Why not?  "gift and sacrifice" end each time, but in different ways.  The first time Jesus ends the animals sacrifices and institutes the Memorial.  The second time he comes he ends the memorial, a symbolic form of "gift and sacrifice.  Through this, we know specifically the Memorial ends when he arrives, but it allows us to date the second coming specifically to the year of the mid-week passover.   Thus another way to determine the year of the second coming is the Memorial.  We simply count down periods of 70 weeks from 36 CE, which ended the 1st-coming 70th week.  4 x 490 years is 1960.  1960 plus 36 CE gives us the end of another 70 weeks in 1996.   Thus the 70th week of the second coming!   1989-1996.   The first Memorial after his return would be the mid-week Passover/Memorial which is April 6, 1993.  So Christ must arrive sometimes between Passover of 1992 and Passover 1993.  Obviously, this is the same 1992 date if Jerusalem falls in 529 BCE when the 1st of Cyrus is correctly dated to 455 BCE. 

ALL THAT TO SAY THIS:  Even though, yes, there are two classes among the witnesses, when Christ comes, he gives EVERYBODY the penny.  All the workers get the penny.  This is a shock to the first-hour workers, the original anointed.  Who really are kind of stuck up and don't like it.  They are little haughty, like the older brother in the parable of the prodigal son, but they were faithful and don't lose their position.  They are also paid the penny they earned.  So essentially, after Passover of 1993, everyone in the witness organization as the 3rd through the 11th hour workers are invited into the kingdom and heavenly class.  IF, though, they are paying attention to the Bible and not the Watchtower.  They have to be awake to accept this invitation!   Most wouldn't be though, so they lose out.   Even so, one would expect a huge surge in those partaking, right?   Wrong.  That's because after 1993 Christ would have arrived and the Memorial is no longer significant.  So even though many "other sheep" are now of the anointed, they know partaking is no longer significant since they would know Christ would have arrived in 1992, so they don't partake.  That is, generally, they don't.  Some apparently understanding the invitation and still in the organization still partake to symbolize they are of the heavenly class and understand there has been an increase.  That's fine.  Maybe Jehovah is permitting that to show on a small scale that other sheep are now becoming anointed, at least in the open class.   The private class anointed don't publicly demonstrate they are of the anointed.   That is, you have the prodigal son banquet group who are part of the banquet of the messiah when he arrives, and you have the older brother group, which the original anointed are generally associated with.  The older brother refuses to enter into the banquet of the younger son messiah!  He's upset.  Thus he matches with the grumbling, murmuring 1st-hour workers when they only get the penny thought expecting something more.   The messiah is among the 11th hour workers basically, the younger brother usurps the glory of the older, etc.  

So there are two classes now in that sense.  Those in the private banquet who secretly worship Christ and those public anointed ones.  Sometimes some of the anointed end up in the public group and so might partake at the public Memorials of the witnesses. 

So that is what is REALLY happening.  ALL witnesses after 1991-1993 are invited into the heavenly class, but many "beg off" and miss the call.  Thus they become the sour grapes, the GRAPES OF WRATH, whose blood is so high it reaches the bridles of horses.  Because they should have come into the heavenly class but did not, they become the grapes of God's wrath and miss out on the heavenly call.   Even among the "10 virgins" only half are expected to get into the kingdom.  That is, half the 1st-hour workers originally invited end up in the kingdom.  Half are "wise" and half are "foolish."  The wise virgins are Biblically oriented, but the foolish virgins are Watchtower oriented.  The Bible is the rock mass.  The Watchtower, though better than Christendom's teachings which are like the sea, is represented by the SAND.  If you build your house on the sand it will stand up but not when a storm comes.  That storm is now in progress and the faith of witnesses are collapsing if it is not solidly founded in scripture. 

The number has now been sealed.  But that doesn't mean YOU haven't been sealed.  Many are sealed into the kingdom and don't know they are sealed into the kingdom.  They might not find out until the millennium begins, in fact.   So if you think you are of the anointed, you may indeed be.  But you don't need to sweat partaking, especially now since the WTS is now considered officially APOSTATE as far as the GB is concerned.   So I'd just keep it to myself and wait if you are still an active witness.  Which is okay, as long as you are a spiritual "wise virgin" and not foolish.  It's a spiritual thing, not physical thing who is in the kingdom and who isn't.

We can finish up on the various styles of communion in the churches, and if they are "wrong".

The easiest way to explain this is that Christ sent out TEN SLAVES to do work from 1914 until he arrived.  They have their own commission and focus, apart from what the WTS has.  So its as if God has a different arrangement and requirement for them to get into the kingdom than for witnesses.  So not to worry about those in Christendom.  Their rituals, of course, are not signficant in direct relation to the 1,440,000.  But obviously individuals will be chosen out of all these religions as part of the kingdom based upon their individual merit, not their religion.   So their ritual neither helps nor hinders them if they are chosen.  So it just doesn't matter.  

Hope I wasn't too verbose but this should give you some reference as to the Biblical reality of the Memorial in relation to the WTS.  Technically, God has not excluded them from the kingdom.  They all were invited as of 1993 if they were paying attention.  Thus from 1993 forward you should have had 100% partakers.  But since 1993 was when Christ arrived and he ended the Memorial at that time, the partaking is no longer necessary and neither is the Memorial.  In fact, speaking of insult, it might be insulting to claim you believe the messiah returned on a certain date and then still keep celebrating the memorial as if he is yet to arrive.  He did say, keep this in remembrance of me UNTIL I return.   Why are they commemorating his leaving when he's back?!!!  So partaking is rather sacreligious at this point.

I'm of the anointed and thought about attending the memorial and partaking just to show I'm of the anointed, even though I'm disfellowshipped, but it's beyond ridiculous.  The WTS is too broken to fix.  Thus Jesus and Jehovah has cast it out and scheduled them for the lake of fire.  

JC

 

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Finally-FreeRe: Taking apart the Memorial

The JWs attend the memorial as "observers" but the only thing they are "observing" is other JWs "observing". They can't help it. There aren't enough annointed ones™ to go around to all the congregations, so there is nothing to observe other than one anothers non-participation.

If someone did dare to partake™ they would be the subject of gossip, most of it malicious, for the rest of the year until the next memorial™ came around. I remember one guy who started partaking™ and people openly started giving him a hard time at the meetings from then on, asking him, "Who do you think you are presuming you're annointed?"

Two others I knew who started partaking™ were (supposedly) later diagnosed with mental illnesses, and some JWs held the opinion that the illness was a "punishment from Jehovah for partaking unworthily".

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WTWizardRe: Taking apart the Memorial
In effect, it is a total waste of time.  You go there to hear about why you should be there, and how to benefit (that is, by going to all the boasting sessions and out in field circus).  Which totally begs the question--going there to hear that you benefit from going there.  I still can't actually find out how you actually benefit from going.
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jgnatRe: Taking apart the Memorial

I do intend to get there, reniaa, but I want this to be a complete study, berean style. We'll start with the bible and work outward. The next text I will be including is what the scriptures say, and if the Witness version has captured the intent and meaning of the memorial.

The very last thing I would do is look at what other churches are doing.

Let's be sure of our foundation first.

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carlaRe: Taking apart the Memorial
Thanks jgnat!
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undercoverRe: Taking apart the Memorial

I've listened to the Memorial talk closer the last two or three years than ever in all the years before.

When you really listen and think about why you're there to begin with, you have to ask, "I thought this was supposed to be about Jesus?"  Instead, it skims over the events leading up to his final night on earth (as purported by the Bible) and then it spends the rest of the time rationalizing the importance of the 144,000 and their remnant on earth.

It ends up being a 45 minute info-mercial about the Faithful and Discreet Slave using Jesus as a marketing ploy to keep people tuned in.

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yesididRe: Taking apart the Memorial

It ends up being a 45 minute info-mercial about the Faithful and Discreet Slave using Jesus as a marketing ploy to keep people tuned in.

Wow, Undercover,  that was so well said.

Thank you Jgnat, I look forward to your "Taking apart the Memorial". 

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heathenRe: Taking apart the Memorial
I think when jesus said ,"keep doing this in remembrance of me , he was talking about the actual eating and drinking , not passing it around leaving it to be thrown out or consumed by the elders after the meeting .That's a WTBTS ritual not a christian one .It is a serious matter and the most holy day of the year for christians but the apostle Paul stated if you are not going to eat and drink then stay home .You can only discern for yourself your worthiness .
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myelaineRe: Re: Taking apart the Memorial

dear jgnat...

1 Corinthians 11:20-22...these Scriptures also read like Paul is upset that the "hungry/unsaved" are being pushed aside by the "saved" in their dash to consume...pure gluttony. Let the hungry learn to eat, first...in this you show love for fellow man.

love michelle

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NarkissosRe: Taking apart the Memorial

Was that the outline used this year? It doesn't seem to have changed from what I remember it was 20 + years ago (in spite of several "new lights" about the "anointed" in the meantime). Seems like the WT is still in a "wait and see" attitude, re: the number of partakers.

A little detail which I didn't remember made me chuckle: going out of their way to explain that a specific part of the ritual (i.e. breaking the bread) has no significance is probably the best way to highlight it (by all means don't look, there's nothing to see!).

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TDRe: Taking apart the Memorial

I'm not really a believer but can I play?

The JW's assume that the new covenant (Matthew 26:28; Mark 14:24; Luke 22:20) is the same covenant that Jesus concluded with those that stuck with him in his trials. He promised that they would  "..sit on thrones and judge the twelve tribes of Israel" (Luke 22:28,29).

This is a lynchpin of the JW two class doctrine. In JW theology, the only purpose in humans going to heaven is to reign with Christ.

Is this a robust assumption? Many Christians would say no. There were certainly other believers at the time (cf. Luke 10:1) who were not invited that night and who would have been actually excluded by the phrase, "YOU are the ones that have struck with me in my trials."

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jgnatRe: Taking apart the Memorial

Everyone can play. More background, below. Here are the "closest to eyewitness" accounts, the description of the same events by Mattthew, Mark, Luke and John.

In context: Jesus is anointed by a woman of ill-repute, and he mentions that her gift prepares for his burial. (We know that at least Judas is horrified by this news) Jesus is anticipating his coming sacrifice. Judas decides to betray, and we are told the Pharisees plot Jesus' arrest. In the midst of this, the passover meal is about to start.

The final meal is then described, and from this we get the ritual of the breaking of bread with each other, in rememberance of Jesus. They end with a hymn, as with the Jewish passover.

After the passover meal, Jesus goes to the Mount of Olives, with his disciples, for his final prayer. He is in deep distress. That night the Pharisees arrange for his capture for execution.

 

Matthew

Mark

Luke

John

Mat 26:17 Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying, "Where will you have us prepare for you to eat the Passover?"

Mat 26:18 He said, "Go into the city to a certain man and say to him, ‘The Teacher says, My time is at hand. I will keep the Passover at your house with my disciples.’"

Mat 26:19 And the disciples did as Jesus had directed them, and they prepared the Passover.

Mar 14:12 And on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they sacrificed the Passover lamb, his disciples said to him, "Where will you have us go and prepare for you to eat the Passover?"

Mar 14:13 And he sent two of his disciples and said to them, "Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him,

Mar 14:14 "and wherever he enters, say to the master of the house, ‘The Teacher says, Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’

Mar 14:15 "And he will show you a large upper room furnished and ready; there prepare for us."

Mar 14:16 And the disciples set out and went to the city and found it just as he had told them, and they prepared the Passover.

Luk 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed.

Luk 22:8 So Jesus[fn1] sent Peter and John, saying, "Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat it."

Luk 22:9 They said to him, "Where will you have us prepare it?"

Luk 22:10 He said to them, "Behold, when you have entered the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him into the house that he enters

Luk 22:11 "and tell the master of the house, ‘The Teacher says to you, Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’

Luk 22:12 "And he will show you a large upper room furnished; prepare it there."

Luk 22:13 And they went and found it just as he had told them, and they prepared the Passover.

Jhn 13:1 Now before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour had come to depart out of this world to the Father, having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end.

Mat 26:20 When it was evening, he reclined at table with the twelve.[fn2]

Mat 26:21 And as they were eating, he said, "Truly, I say to you, one of you will betray me."

Mat 26:22 And they were very sorrowful and began to say to him one after another, "Is it I, Lord?"

Mat 26:23 He answered, "He who has dipped his hand in the dish with me will betray me.

Mat 26:24 "The Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born."

Mat 26:25 Judas, who would betray him, answered, "Is it I, Rabbi?" He said to him, "You have said so."

Mar 14:17 And when it was evening, he came with the twelve.

Mar 14:18 And as they were reclining at table and eating, Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, one of you will betray me, one who is eating with me."

Mar 14:19 They began to be sorrowful and to say to him one after another, "Is it I?"

Mar 14:20 He said to them, "It is one of the twelve, one who is dipping bread into the dish with me.

Mar 14:21 "For the Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born."

Luk 22:21 "But behold, the hand of him who betrays me is with me on the table.

Luk 22:22 "For the Son of Man goes as it has been determined, but woe to that man by whom he is betrayed!"

Luk 22:23 And they began to question one another, which of them it could be who was going to do this.

(note the order is reversed from Matthew and Mark)

Jhn 13:2 During supper, when the devil had already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him,

He speaks of his betrayal, and Judas leaves John 13:18-30

 

Mat 26:26 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; this is my body."

Mat 26:27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, "Drink of it, all of you,

Mat 26:28 "for this is my blood of the [fn3] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Mar 14:22 And as they were eating, he took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to them, and said, "Take; this is my body."

Mar 14:23 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, and they all drank of it.

Mar 14:24 And he said to them, "This is my blood of the [fn3] covenant, which is poured out for many.

Luk 22:14 And when the hour came, he reclined at table, and the apostles with him.

Luk 22:15 And he said to them, "I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.

Luk 22:16 "For I tell you I will not eat it[fn2] until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God."

Luk 22:17 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he said, "Take this, and divide it among yourselves.

Luk 22:18 "For I tell you that from now on I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."

Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me."

Luk 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.[fn3]

 
  

Jesus settles a dispute over who will be greatest. (Luke 22:24-27)

Jesus institutes the foot-washing ritual. The least will be the greatest. (John 13:3-17)

  

Jesus speaks of the Kingdom to come. (Luke 22:28:30)

He speaks of God's promises and his leaving. Jesus and his Father are one. He again exhorts the disciples to love one another and to keep his commandments. (John 13:39-14:25)

His appointment of the disciples, and the persecution to come. (John 15:15-25)

  

He predicts Simon Peter’s betrayal (Luke 22:29-34)

He speaks of leaving, and exhorts the disciples to love one another. Peter denies he will betray Jesus. (John 13:31-38)

  

He again predicts his death (Luke 22:35-38)

He speaks again of the coming Holy Spirit, and being witnesses of Jesus' works. He speaks again of his leaving and coming back. (John 15:26-16:22)

Mat 26:29 "I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom."

Mar 14:25 "Truly, I say to you, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God."

 

Jesus is the vine, bear fruit. Love one another. (John 15:1-14.)

The Father's promises. Jesus and their Father are one. He prays.( John 16:23-17:26)

Mat 26:30 And when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

Mar 14:26 And when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

Luk 22:39 And he came out and went, as was his custom, to the Mount of Olives, and the disciples followed him.

Joh 18:1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Kidron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, himself and his disciples.

John dedicates four chapters to Jesus’ speeches in that upper room, but does not give an account of the breaking of bread. Instead, he describes Jesus’ institution of the foot-washing ritual. John’s account heavily emphasizes Jesus’ exhortations for the disciples to love one another.

I’ve picked the The Holy Bible, English Standard Version © 2001 Crossway Bibles from www.blueletterbible.org . My comments are in blue italics.

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jgnatRe: Taking apart the Memorial
Narkissos, the version I have is marked S-31, 11/90 with a handwritten notation, 1/93. I cannot confirm that this was the same talk given this year, but if I were a betting woman, I'd say it's near identical.
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JCanonRe: Re: Taking apart the Memorial
 do intend to get there, reniaa, but I want this to be a complete study, berean style. We'll start with the bible and work outward. The next text I will be including is what the scriptures say, and if the Witness version has captured the intent and meaning of the memorial.

The very last thing I would do is look at what other churches are doing.

Let's be sure of our foundation first.

 

The BIG PICTURE:  Christ sent out ten slaves to do business.  One slave proved unfaithful, namely the WTS.  They became the evil slave though they had the most cherished position as the temple class.   Therefore, what is required of JWs is a separate thing than what might be accepted by the others organizations.  You can academically make comparisons but it won't work out toward the actual spiritual reality.

When Christ comes, he sees the corrupt WTS, he does not correct that organization, but simply removes his sheep from that organization in a spiritual sense.   He says, "I have other sheep, not of this fold.."   So Christ is doing his own thing gathering here and there based upon other criteria than for the witnesses.   It's just like the rules for the rest of the world to get saved is not the same as for the Jews.  The Jews have some extra things to deal with that comes with their privileges, etc.  

So there is no need to worry about formal beliefs and rituals out in Christendom.  Jehovah does not recognize formal Christendom.  In the Bible Christendom is the 666-Beast coming out of the sea.   The WTS is the Lamb-Dragon-False Prophet that comes out of the earth.  Both are creatures of Satan and under his influence and both are destroyed in the lake of fire together "while still alive", which means while still actively functioning as a religion.  They are thu shut down in some legal way by the UN when BTG is shut down.

JC

 

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JCanonRe: Re: Taking apart the Memorial

Jgant:  Excellent breakdown of the chain of events.

For your further note, the reference in John is to a specific time of the day in relation to the watch.   That is when he notes, "It was but night (de nox)"  he means it is jsut before the "night watch" which is a short form of the "midnight watch" which is from 9 p.m. to midnight.   So John left just before 9  p.m.   Just some technical "trivia" for you since you broke it all down. 

JC

 

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jgnatRe: Taking apart the Memorial

Other New Testament verses, or "second-string" descriptions of the event.

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Comments

Act 2:42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers.

Act 2:46 And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts,

These are the very first converts after Jesus’ death, describing how they spent their time together.

These early Christians lived communally, sharing everything in common. They spent a lot of time together, praying and eating together.

Here, the breaking of bread could be a daily event.

Act 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.

Act 20:11 And when Paul had gone up and had broken bread and eaten, he conversed with them a long while, until daybreak, and so departed.

This was one of Paul’s late talks. In the middle, a young man topples out of an upstairs window. Paul miraculously heals the boy.

Here, the breaking of bread together is a weekly event.

Act 27:34-36 "Therefore I urge you to take some food. It will give you strength, for not a hair is to perish from the head of any of you." And when he had said these things, he took bread, and giving thanks to God in the presence of all he broke it and began to eat. Then they all were encouraged and ate some food themselves.

Paul was on his way to trial. The trip was dangerous, and even his captors despaired that they would arrive safely. Paul calms them down with these words.

Eating together is a way to bring comfort and community.

1Cr 10:16-17 The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.

Here Paul speaks of what is profane and what is holy, and settles differences between Gentile and Jewish convert practices.

Note that all believers are of the same body, so partake of the same bread.

1Cr 11:20-34 When you come together, it is not the Lord's supper that you eat. For in eating, each one goes ahead with his own meal. One goes hungry, another gets drunk.

What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I commend you in this? No, I will not.

For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for[fn4] you. Do this in remembrance of me."[fn5] In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.[fn6]

But if we judged[fn7] ourselves truly, we would not be judged. But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined[fn8] so that we may not be condemned along with the world.

So then, my brothers,[fn9] when you come together to eat, wait for[fn10] one another— if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home—so that when you come together it will not be for judgment. About the other things I will give directions when I come.

The Corinthians have been excessive, and Paul reins them in.

Corinthians were preparing feasts, and they were not sharing!

Paul reminds them that this is to remember Jesus’ sacrifice. They should be filled with love for the "body of Christ", or the body of believers, when they partake.

Remember also John’s account, where Jesus exhorted the brothers over and over to love one another.

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jgnatRe: Taking apart the Memorial

My conclusion from these bible verses:

The most important features of Christian communion is honoring the memory of Jesus' sacrifice, and to love one another. Not one is to be considered over the other and the greatest amongst us are those who serve the best.

The form of partaking is secondary, and there are many variations in the early church. In some cases entire feasts were prepared (including that fateful night). The early church met daily or weekly in prayer and the "breaking of bread". Again, the regular sharing of bread and prayer ties the community together and reminds them first Jesus' sacrifice, and second of their love for one another. Eating together makes us one.

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