On this board some have said that 1914 CANNOT be ditched, otherwise the 1919 Faithful and DIscreet Slave and its appointment will not hold water.

My recent - yes - fake article showed, using the tried and tested methods, how this could be done.

The only way to ditch the 1914 teaching is to uncouple any doctrines which depend on that date.

Separation of Sheep and Goats since 1914 GONE.

The Generation change has now GONE.

The Invisible Return of Christ in 1914 has GONE. ( watered down to "turned his attention" to the earth.)

All that remains is the appointment of the "slave" 3 and a half years later in 1919. The order in which this is happening is following the sequence above, which I reckoned would happen, after I heard the talk in 1993 about the "celestial phenomena", and the new application of "when you see these things."

Then 607 can safely be ditched, with "proofs" of its anaccuracy.

In the spoof, the reader is distracted into thinking that 1914 is the crucial issue, so that the dropping of 1919 becomes less obvious.

The R&F can say when 1914 is dropped at a later date, "it didn't make sense" or "I always thought its not quite right" ( just the same comments I have heard over the last 3 weeks about the generation WT)

In fact looking back through the litterature, they have been monotonously repeating this pattern

Christ "came" invisibly in 1874. Will become "manifest" in 1914.

Christ invisibly "present" since 1874, with "coming" in 1914.

World ends invisibly in 1914, when Christ "comes" invisibly".

Christ present since 1914, "coming" to be awaited.

The same sequence is followed in connection with the resurrection of the annointed, 3 1/2 years after 1874, then afte 1914 and the speculations of when the door was closed to choosing other members of the "Bride" , if you can be bothered wading through WT reprints and the other lit.

The "some have said" argument to ensure rejction of a teaching in advance, is used even in the Revelation Climax book, prompting one guy ( now out) to say "who are they trying to kid? THEY said it!!"

Guilt is used. and the implication of "where can YOU go?? (without dying) - the administering of existence by the cult.

One criticism of the post was that my use of "cult dupes" gave the game away. Actually a WT study three years ago said that witlesses should say "my understanding of the Bible leads me to ..." rather than "It's against my religion." because:

"those we are speaking to might think we are members of a cult."

Blondie did post more recent statements about 1914 in the thread, but the WT will resurrect old light whenever necessary to suit its purpose, including p 137 of the "Proclaimers Book" or the 1927 generation teaching. The R&F will then obediently twitch and say "how did WE Fail to notice the noolite?"

They will sometimes slip these things in without the R&F noticing, as the statement that "Jesus was not saying earthquakes would be more frequent". We still hear talks showing ignorance of this "light".

I also show the use of equivocation. The average dub will not really see the difference between "the end of the Gentile Times", "turning attention to the earth" "came invisibly in 1914" or "invisibly present" since 1914. This is prime "weasel talk". it fogs the issue, making clear thought about the matter difficult.

Nor will they see the difference between the slave "being appointed over all the Master's belongings" and "presiding over all the earthly interests of Jehovah's Kingdom."

Hope I didn't upset anybody, but I did want to show how it might be done when it happens.

HB

If they can get rid of the generation of 1914, the close of the call to the remnant in 1935, the banning of blood proucts in medicine (except for the big four parts) the Tuesday group study and cups of tea at Assemblies, there is nothing that they cannot change.

Consider, I usd to believe that the end of this world would come within a lifetime of the first World War, why? because Jesus told me (in Mathew 24) That, I believed, was from the Master's mouth..Then I suddenly did not believe it anymore because some unknown man in New York wrote an article that I did not understand, but told me that I had been wrong. So I changed my belief in direct denial of what I read in The Bible.(That is if you still accepted the rest of the Witness teaching)

I changed to follow an organization..People just follow an organization.They believe what it teaches. Doctrine changes only faze a few old ones who cannot grasp them , the rest just say, "Ok" and get on with it

Anasazi - the FDS as taught by the WT has been giving out spiritual food.  That is not in doubt

The teaching of the WT is that they were  appointed by Jesus over all his "belongings" 3 1/2 years after he Arrived in Kingdom Power. The paralel with 3 1/2 years after his baptism and clearing out the temple is cited as proof. This is the time he "suddenly came to his temple" in 1918 - 1919, inspected all those claiming to be Christians, and found that only the Bible Students were teaching the truth from God's word - thus feeding his people "food at the proper time".

The date 1919 is therefore very dependent on 1914.

It is well worth researching the literature to see how this is presented.

HB

They will NEVER let 1914 go entirely, just as the 7DA's have never entirely let go of 1843. But what will happen at some point in the future is is they will make Christ's 'presence' commensurate with the great tribulation and the one-thousand year reign but no sooner. They will admit that Jesus was never 'enthroned' as king in 1914 and will move anything to do with Jesus reign and kingship to the future, as they damn well should have done a long time ago.

BUT they will stick with the teaching that the 'last days' and the 'composite sign' began in 1914 because of the WW1 factor. They will never dump 1914 entirely because of WW1 starting then.

If they fiddle with that then they will also have to admit that there was no "arriving" in 1914 or 1919 by the master per Matt 24: 46. This is a glaring and outrageous contradiction with their own "new light" on Matt 25: 31, where they have taught (correctly) since 1995 that Jesus "arrives" in THE FUTURE to sit down on his glorious throne (something all other Christians have had right all along). So they will be forced to eventually go more mainstream by correcting this and moving Matt 24: 46 & 47 to the future, making them admit that the master has not yet appointed anyone "over all his belongings".

So, in effect, they will separate the "appointment" in Matt 24: 45 to be from Pentecost 33CE onward to apply to JW's only, and they will move the "arriving" in v.46 to the future. Nevertheless....

....despite all that, they will continue to insist that only those Christians associated with the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society in 1919 have been uniquely feeding the domestics their "food at the proper time" per Matt 24:45 under Jesus' direction. They will restate that around 1919 a clearly identifiable "faithful and discreet slave" class was released from Babylonish spiritual captivity and has preached primitive Christian truth free from false Babylonish dogma.  JW's will buy that and that way the Watchtower Society gets to retain it's power and unquestioning authority over the majority of the rank and file, even though a fair number will probably stumble.

You heard it from me first.